Native Instruments Maschine 3

Released…

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/maschine/maschine-accessories/maschine-3/

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29$ update for existing users is not a bad price, if you can live without the new content library.

‘Native Instruments has even included custom tempo settings for each scene, allowing you to set different tempos within a single track.‘

:clap::clap::clap::partying_face:

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No M+ standalone support it seems - controller mode only.

They said before they will definitely have 3.0 on standalone as well. But it looks like it will be released later unfortunately…

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Bought it. Happy to support the product and will see where it goes :pray:t3:

And for that price. Downloading as we speak.

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Interesting 29 dollars for the update… But I can’t find the official page. Maybe it’s too soon.

I found on Google a 399 offer to update to komplete 15. Once registered, I found that my loyalty offer to update for komplete 11 to 15 is…
399 dollars. Great loyalty offer.

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Did you buy the update from maschine 2?

Thats correct. :relaxed: 69 eur including the new content.
I bought it from thomann btw.

Seems a good price. I’d pay 29 without the library, the amount of sounds you have on komplete it’s too much. But it you don’t have komplete, it’s a very good offer :slight_smile:

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If this doesn’t have smooth automation and song mode improvements, it just makes me even more glad that I moved away from DAW production almost entirely.

I bought Maschine back in 2018 because I wanted to move away from making music with a mouse and keyboard. I had been using Ableton for a long time, but Push was just too expensive for only including Ableton Intro. Maschine MK3 was such a better value for what I wanted, which was a dedicated production controller that would let me make music without needing to stare at computer.

And I think it’s great for that, but Ableton’s session/arrangement views and parameter automation is so intuitive compared to Maschine. I would be ecstatic if Maschine would just try to do something similar.

Ultimately, I realized that even these integrated controllers and hardware DAWs would never be exactly what I wanted. Maschine is too limited in certain areas, and Ableton is prohibitively expensive. I probably would have bought Push 3 standalone if it came with a decent version of Ableton, but even that has some strange limitations. I don’t regret buying Maschine at all, and it really helped me focus on the important aspects of production, but if this is all it adds, I would be pretty disappointed with this update if I hadn’t decided to focus on hardware production. Good features for sure, and certainly useful to a lot of people, but a bit underwhelming to be called “Maschine 3.0”. Unless there’s more to this update than what’s in the article, but it doesn’t look like NI has put out a comprehensive announcement yet.

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Agreed with you in the update. It’s in my opinion limited, not a great step. I found the maschine workflow absolutely intuitive and fun. I’ve seen a friend with an MPC live working and working around to make simple things… Maschine is great but it’s software is highly restrictive for automation and some other things (there is no step probability, there is no polyrhythms as far as I now because I abandoned it some years ago… Although I still have maschine MK3 and jam in studio, great combo… But the software it’s too limited in some areas.

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$29 isn’t a bad upgrade price but I’m super underwhelmed by the stem separation. But I also think that was last years hot topic and I don’t think it’s nearly as useful for sampling as, say, AI generated stems.

But I’m still working my way through loop ops video.

Bouncing to audio is huge. Biggest complaint with Maschine+ imo. Once this comes to Maschine+ it’s gonna make using those crazy reaktor ensembles an easier process

Edit: ok so honestly given that it’s been years since a major update and this is a paid update…. This is overall super underwhelming. And considering NI hasn’t given faith that they care too much about the product it’s hard to justify it tbh…

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Wow his favourite midi tool is a speaker which allows you to hear the notes :thinking:. I have reaper from more than ten years, and Ableton since this year and they have it integrated. And the other midi things too.

A real update are the midi tools in Ableton 12 for example. Don’t get me wrong, I love maschine and native instruments, is only that the software is very very undeveloped and far behind others in a lot of aspects.

I’m extremely unimpressed by both of their stem separations.

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Yeah, it feels like if you don’t want to produce primarily with a mouse and keyboard, as good as these dedicated DAW controllers can be, there will always be significant limitations. Patch creation is another big one, because most VSTs have bespoke interfaces that aren’t very intuitive to fully edit with midi controllers. When I was using Maschine, I basically never made patches, but used presets and messed around with the macros, but that’s not really a good way to understand how something like Massive actually works. But on my hardware setup, I almost never use factory presets because I have that hands-on patch creation that I was missing with Maschine. Moving to a strictly-hardware production setup was always going to be more limited than a DAW, but it’s also vastly more fun for me, and I don’t feel annoyed by the limitations like I have with software, because it’s too easy to expect a DAW to just do everything.

It feels like they called that Maschine 3 just to drop older Maschine hardware units support.
Many of their 2.x updates were bigger.

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Disappointing…Automations improvements, lfos, round robin, internal midi routing, per step probability, actual use of screens weren’t requested enough I suppose…
They probably got “hey, why not adding another 8gb of samples and kits and sounds to my 550gb komplete/expansion useless shit” from 98% of users who responded to the countless surveys…

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Yeah. Before I defended the decision because I was under the hope that perhaps there would be an overall to the GUI on the hardware but given that this didn’t happen it definitely feels like there was no reason to drop support on those devices. Unless there’s a plan down the road.

But currently with the info we have right now it for sure doesn’t make sense to drop support of that older hardware.