My feelings about the AR mk2 as a groovebox

Whatsup fellow Elektronauts! About 6 months ago I got my AR mk2 after months of doubting whether I should upgrade from my DT to the OT, the AR or perhaps the mpc live. This forum was a lot of help!

After using it extensively for the last couple of months, I thought it was a good moment to write down my thoughs so far, hopefully this helps other people looking to upgrade from the DT, or any other machine.

I primarily make samplebased hiphop/triphop, so I used the DT not as a drummachine, but as a groovebox/sampler to make full tracks/beats on. Right now I’m using the AR in the same way: Its not just the drum machine in my setup, it basically IS my setup. I sample stuff, synthesize sounds, make full tracks, and mix them, all in the AR.

I have to say: I never expected the AR to work this well as a one stop production machine at all. Most video’s and reviews online only describe and judge this machine as an analog drum machine with some sampling capabilities, and the people using it to make full tracks are far outnumbered by the people using it as a drummachine in a larger setup. Some would say I’m actually misusing the AR by making it do more than drums, but I guess the same goes for all the people who started making songs on old mpc’s and sp1200’s.

After a slow start (I thought the machine sounded great, but was way less userfriendly than the DT), I’m now in complete awe of the AR. I’ve learned to appreciate the machine for what it does, instead of wanting it to do the things other machines/daws do. The AR doesn’t try to do everything (far from it), like a daw, or the new mpc’s/maschine+, but within the limited structure of the AR you can do a lot of things a daw doesn’t excel at:

  • The limitations make it very inspiring to work on, you’re not overwhelmed by options, and you quickly build up muscle memory, making it a machine you can quickly operate without thinking too much. The box feels sturdy, and all the knobs and buttons feel like they’re built to last.
  • The sound (both for synthesis and sampling) is warm, alive, weighty and organic (can’t think of better words to describe it, even though I dislike using terms like these). It truly does have its own character, and things sound better after you’ve sampled them into the machine.
  • The combination of analog synthesis/circuitry, digital fx and sampling/resampling make this machine perfect for sound design. It’s awesome to create drum or synth sounds, combine them with samples, warm them up using the filters/drive/distortion and resample them into new samples you can use.
  • It’s not just a drum synth, there’s actually 3 very capable monosynths hiding inside the machine. Using the rk002 smart midi cable, you can even use it as a fully polyphonic 3 voice polysynth. The dual vco has its quirks (it goes out of tune a lot, and doesn’t track well) but you can always resample it.
  • It’s also quite capable as a machine to warm up sounds, like the AH. The analog circuitry can go from subtle to extreme. It takes some practice, but things sounding too sterile or clean is never a problem.
  • I was used to the awesome elektron sequencer before, because of the DT, bit this one is even better: there’s songmode, scenes, perfs and parameter slide, making it very easy to compose full songs with endless variation.

All of this makes this machine the perfect all in 1 groovebox for me. If I want to use more (unlimited) options, I can just open my daw. If I want to be inspired to make music within a very limited, creative structure, I can fire up my AR. I don’t need any additional analog synth, sampler or overdrive pedal anymore, It’s all achievable within this one box. In this light I wouldn’t actually want Elektron to add to many more features to it. There are, however, some weird omissions which cripple the machine a little, like the inability to reset the amp envelope, the lack of samplestart finetuning, and the lack of visual feedback on the compressor page. I really hope elektron adds these in a future update.

Even though i’m in love with this machine, I’d hesitate to recommend it as a complete groovebox in favor of some other machines to anyone. You have to be aware of all the limitations, and accept the machine for what it is. When in doubt, you should probably pick the alternative, but if you like working on a machine which is awesome within it’s limitations, I highly recommend the AR as a one stop beatmaking machine!

Is anyone else here using the AR in this way? I’ve basically left my other gear untouched for a couple of months now haha.

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Agreed. I ended up letting mine go for financial reasons but, like you, I was using it for 90% of hip hop/trip hop tracks and, later on, I was using it entirely for some minimal techno explorations. Another very often overlooked thing it has over the DT is the bandpass filter (and an analog one at that). It really helps give certain elements their own space in the mix, even when doing long sweeps.

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It’s a shame you had to let it go! It would probably be the last piece of gear i’d sell.

I love the bandpass! It’s such a great tool!

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I bought an OT and AR at the same time. The AR does so much, so well, I’m still not entirely convinced I need the OT. I want to sequence a couple of synths, so maybe a mixer and a DNDT would have made for a better combo. But in a roundabout way I’m saying ā€œYes, the AR is amazing!ā€.

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I have a mk1 so missing the odd feature on mk2 but I agree with everything you say. I’ve just started learning it properly and I’m working on a small set of tunes in combination with OT. All I can say is of 4 tunes so far, 2 are Rytm only, it’s that good!

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That is a great review, and though we use them for different types of music, and probably in different ways, you’ve really captured the depth of regard I have the ARii. It really is a beautiful sounding machine, and so capable.

I haven’t touched my Push2, or used Ableton for anything other than recording the audio out from my Analog boxes for a couple of months now.

Glad you love it so much, looking forward to listening to some of your tracks!

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I’ve been finding the same. I also got mine around when the black mk2 came out. I think I’ve been achieving some pretty decent mpc style boombap with the AR, some more Sango (producer) like beats and well anything I want really because it’s all about the sounds. I hope I can share these tracks soon but leaving two previews:

It’s been hard to actually build full songs because I play bass and have been taking lessons to get better at it but I can’t just lay down a baseline within AR because the inputs don’t take instrument level - it’s annoying I now need a mixer or something else to make it compatible… so what I do is I end up adding bass later within Ableton when I want to finish a song. Let me know if I’m wrong here and how I can make this work.

I just ordered a Blokas Midihub in hopes I’ll be able to play chords and melodies with the dual VCOs through my arturia keyboard. I’m excited to try this out!

There was a moment I thought about selling it or just not touching it for a while but lately I’ve been dedicating more time to learn it and things are clicking. I need to practice more of the performance side once I master the song structuring with the AR.

I think it’s one of the best machines out there. Certainly no MPC but my mpc hasn’t been used since last summer lol it doesn’t have the same soul as the AR.

That said I think there are many things to improve:

  • choke groups
  • better sample slicing features
  • kits are global and I can easily load a kit into a project (or maybe I need to rethink mindset about kits too…)
  • general bug fixes. e.g. today I turned it on and pressed play and after 2 loops the pattern would just stop :confused: maybe an issue with Overbridge beta…
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Also only now I noticed @Sleepyhead is the OP. You’ve been inspiring me a lot with the videos! I think I picked up a new sample playing trick from you where you copy the sample to every pad on a separate kit, adjust start and end points, record, then resample.

Not perfect but makes a huge difference.

Keep doing what you do with the AR :raised_hands:t5:

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100% agree, I’ve not touched another piece of kit since I got mine and I really didn’t expect it to be like this. So fun and inspiring, particularly with the ability to resample on the mk2, feels like the sweet spot of possibilities + limitations for me. I love all the Elektron stuff but for me the ARmk2 wins for solo use. Stuff like the perf controls, kits, and song mode make it much more flexible for ā€œarrangingā€ than the DT/DN, and the sound of it is just perfect for my tastes (techno mainly).

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Haha thanks man! And I agree with the improvements you mentioned! The machine definitely has a soul! I love it. Can’t wait to check your tracks out, will when I get home!

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Good to hear there’s more AR fans @igtheflig @tdmusic @subduct ! Where can I hear your tunes?

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Nowhere yet!
But a couple of snips here: Current sounds coming from your gear - #502 by subduct

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My Rytm mk2 is my Mainmachine most of the times. I add a small Synth (Micromonsta2) and an Octatrack to it. Most of the times, I sample and playback with the Rytm, because Filter, Drive, Reverb and Delay are awesome. OT is there for long duration loops, as a Mixer and for MIDI Sequencing the Synth (Poly + Arp).

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These are awesome! Followed you!

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Very full and dirty! Like it!

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We’re in tune because I went to follow you and it seems I’ve been following you for a while on soundclud! lol

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I’ve not really recorded anything ā€œproperā€ from the AR yet… couple of bits I am working on when I find the time.

I did record this a few weeks ago, I tried out an exercise from the Ableton ā€œCreative Strategiesā€ book and listened carefully to the track ā€œStress Testā€ by Stenny, took notes, then made a track just based on the notes, using just internal AR sounds and resampling…

I thought it sounded good at the time but when I listen on my monitors the kick sounds a bit off – I don’t really know what I am doing with the compressor yet lol.

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Very nice buildup!

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Rytm is the shit. I use it with zoia and that’s it. Gonna have a weekend integrating my prophet12 and a key step, but it just doesn’t ā€˜need’ anything else most of the time!

Tuning can be a little frustrating at times… hence I wanna add the p12 for some fixed melodic stuff. If it could sequence midi polyphonically it’d just be perfect for me in every way.

My Instagram has some sketches up if ye wanna check it out :slight_smile:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNpWTJzHWCR/?igshid=11ru5myb7nvpk

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Same, I’m still new, but have a few snippets on the Current Sounds thread, and one AABA entry Driver by russelldb | Russell Brown | Free Listening on SoundCloud but I have a lot to learn!

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