So why did you buy one then ?
Will one or two new machines make all the difference ?
Spoiled people are difficult, if not impossible, to satisfy. itās the ego that stands in the way of thankfullness.[/quote]
āSpoiledā?! āThankfullnessā?!?! I had to work hard to afford this thing. It was not given to me.
The sampling is fine. . but an MPC can actually sample!
Iāve mostly switched to a TR-8 and DRM1 MK3 for now. Did a show a couple of weekends ago and they sounded ace through the PA. I didnāt have time to sample everything into the computer, edit it, bounce it, and load it back into the RYTM. If they donāt want to make the analog bits any good, fine, make the sample loading less of a pain. . . . but really, just make the analog bits better. [/quote]
Sorry, By spoiled I mean the technology thatās at your fingertips these daysā¦ If you had to work so very hard, it surprizes me you didnāt informe yourself better or test the machine in depth before buying it. Iāve tested my A4 for 6 months in a shop before buying, and I new what I was getting.
But hey, you seem to know how they could have build a better machine as I can read in your posts, even how easy that would be. well itās like on the A4 tread , some people keep complaining no matter what, and ofcoarse thatās their right, but coming from where Iāve been in life I see things differently. Itās like the more you have - the more you want. Youāre working with the latest technology, one of the best Drum-machines ever maid - but you say " the analog part isnāt any good " ???
The sampling -part isnāt like you want it ā¦ ??? Why the hell did you buy it than ?
I too had to work very hard for my gear, thatās why I know what Iām buying, and thatās why Iām thankfull to all those people who make this fantastic gear. giving me all the Tools to express myself and so I donāt mind them making money out of that.
After reading around here for a few years now, I get irritated by easy complaining and asking for more and more ( sometimes by people who didnāt dig very deep or didnāt even read the manual properly )- You canāt emagine how happy I was 25 years ago with my first synth, how blasted away we where with a machine that couldnāt even do a 100 part of what these machines do today, and we where so happy. And the things we had to do te get what we wanted, the time it took > but we where happy.
How the fuck is it possible that 20 years later the half of all things I read are complaints while things go better, faster, deeper and CHEAPER. ??? Well Iām probably an old fart complaining myself here 
but Iām a fanboy, because in my eyes itās behond my dreams all this gear, and in stead of looking what it canāt do, Iām happy with wat it can. This makes me a happy man, and I just wish thesame for everybody.
And I donāt think the A4 is Superior for percussion, itās a totally different instrument, itās great for drums but in another way, it took me months to get a CLAP I like, and Iām still digging deep to get the KICKS I really want. and its 4 tracks - not eight. Do you own a A4 or did you just read this somewhere ?
Do you want quick results or do you like to work hard for your sounds ? From experience I can tell you that , whatever gear I used in the past, it was long and hard work if I wanted a sound I needed. If you want a limitless tool - get a computer. but as I see it , man allways rather enjoyed pushing limits instead of just having it all without the need of effort.
It may sound pretentious but Iām not afraid to say that I manage to make music with 3 synths , where some guys have a filled studio and still think they need another machine. And when I see their gear I think " Man, you have all the Tools, learn to get the most out of it."
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But as allways " The best shippers stand on the quay "
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Anyhow , if I would agree with you, I would sell my machine 
OR be patient, < Elektron is still surprising me with updates, and because I donāt expect them to happen, Iām surprised and happy like a child when they happenā¦ 
And some others should be more respectful to others here, and read older posts instead of posting arrogant point of views that add nothing valuable to the thread. Iām glad you just explained it with āargumentsā later, because of people quoting you, but you first comment is simply bs.
Man, I barely even visit the message board these days but it seems every time I do, this is the theme lol. The inability to rationally discuss constructive criticisms without bringing ego into the conversation is pretty damn comical.
Careful though, we wouldnāt want the thread to get deleted.
Exactly this ^.
We discussed it with good arguments as I would like to think and after page 5 I thought we got over this: people started talking about interesting stuff. But then some mean comments judging others came again. Thatās what pissed me off, like if some people just want to come here and troll, then enjoy the mess, instead of making constructive comments. What a pity
I just came here to say that I recently got a Machinedrum UW, and I kinda had this feeling of āshould I have gotten the analog rytm?ā There will always be doubt when a lot of money is involved. I have an A4 and I felt the same way within a week of buying it, largely because I didnāt understand itās potential yet. I predominantly make techno and dark industrial music, and am getting back in touch with my powernoise roots and for that the Machinedrum is untouchable. There is obviously a reason you bought the Rytm, that reason is the timbre of itās uniquely fat and large analog drum sound, layered with precise and sharp samples. It gives you a drum palette that no other machine can do. You just have to experiment. Also, each voice has an envelope, filter and lfo. Not to mention global compression and overdrive. Not many other drum machines have that. Donāt underestimate what that can do for you with regards to sound design. There is a reason that the classic subtractive synth is 2 oscillators, filter, amp, env and lfo. Just gotta get creative.
The more I use MD, the more Iām convinced that people who donāt dig AR as is are people that come from MDā¦
BT
Iām sure this has been asked:
Are we ever going to see fine tune, sweep time/depth on this machine?
or is there a reason due to circuitry.
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The more I use MD, the more Iām convinced that people who donāt dig AR as is are people that come from MDā¦
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I think this might be why Iām not very impressed with the AR. Every time I try to get a sound I want out of it I canāt help but think about how much better the MD is for sound design (the filters, AM, LFOs, EQ, plus all the per machine settings.)
The FX are a lot better on the AR, as is the sequencer. Being able to layer samples is nice, but without individual filters/envelopes for the samples it requires a lot more processing before you even get to that.
I think this might be why Iām not very impressed with the AR. Every time I try to get a sound I want out of it I canāt help but think about how much better the MD is for sound design (the filters, AM, LFOs, EQ, plus all the per machine settings.)
The FX are a lot better on the AR, as is the sequencer. Being able to layer samples is nice, but without individual filters/envelopes for the samples it requires a lot more processing before you even get to that.[/quote]
Sure the MD has more sound design capabilities, but the AR actually sounds better. Like the difference is night and day. Not to mention that samples arenāt restricted to 12bit like they are on the MD. The MD is a great machine, but I think it really depends on your setup. Like anything else it has itās own character, strengths, and flaws. I have an A4 so I think the AR is just a better pairing. They are closer together in timbre and sound. I could never get the MD to sound like a part of the AR sonically, and my main goal is to take 2 devices and do live shows sans computer.
mmh,
i dont really think a new machine would add a lotā¦ the basic sound is defined by the analog circuitā¦ new digital control (if anyhow possible) will not add to much differenceā¦ and if i need something else, i add samplesā¦
my jomox has a lot more extensive parametersā¦ but reallyā¦ when ever the sounds getting more off the basic parameters, the less i use it.
sequencer features combined with the synthesis are more the fact that makes this baby my dream-drummerā¦ :-)ā¦
and to be honestā¦ beside starting with getting to know all the features and thinking of how a sound could have more machines to workā¦ now i stopped that for making music than thinking about not realistic possibilities :-)))ā¦ so ā¦ BANGā¦ 5 new complex beats, each 2 hoursā¦ this is why i always loved hardwareā¦
Cause software always keeps you dizzy because you have way to much choiceā¦ and at the end you want even more instead of working around the problems you have on your way to YOUR personal sound :-))ā¦ and then always missing in learning the AR as what it isā¦ a instrument, that you need to spend a lot of time on playing before something good happensā¦ and an instrument, that you need to PLAY, if you want it to sound good :-))
I wouldnāt say that AR sounds better than MD.
For hats and any metallic sounds, glitches, lo-fi, MD is better.
Even for bass, I found one can get some very interesting sounds out of the MD, easily and in a broader soundscapeā¦
Besides I feel like the 16 MD tracks play well together, itās really a coherent machine. Tracks donāt collapse, they melt as compatible layers.
On AR, I have to be very careful not to put too much, tracks can very fast get muddy if they over overlap. Maybe because AR tracks are overall richer in bass frequencies, while in MD they occupy a narrower band of frequencies.
I canāt say I prefer the AR over the MD, really.
But agreed on the night and day 
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[quote=ākwamensahā]Sure the MD has more sound design capabilities, but the AR actually sounds better. Like the difference is night and day.
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I wouldnāt say that AR sounds better than MD.
For hats and any metallic sounds, glitches, lo-fi, MD is better.
Even for bass, I found one can get some very interesting sounds out of the MD, easily and in a broader soundscapeā¦
Besides I feel like the 16 MD tracks play well together, itās really a coherent machine. Tracks donāt collapse, they melt as compatible layers.
On AR, I have to be very careful not to put too much, tracks can very fast get muddy if they over overlap. Maybe because AR tracks are overall richer in bass frequencies, while in MD they occupy a narrower band of frequencies.
I canāt say I prefer the AR over the MD, really.
But agreed on the night and day [/quote]
My main issue with the MD is just that it doesnāt pair well with the A4.
Exactly this ^.
We discussed it with good arguments as I would like to think and after page 5 I thought we got over this: people started talking about interesting stuff. But then some mean comments judging others came again. Thatās what pissed me off, like if some people just want to come here and troll, then enjoy the mess, instead of making constructive comments. What a pity[/quote]
My excuses if I offended you or anyone else 
^^^^^ that
Weird. Itās my favorite combo these daysā¦ MD within A4 inputsā¦ Yum !
I have to record something quickly.
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[quote=ākwamensahā]My main issue with the MD is just that it doesnāt pair well with the A4.
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Weird. Itās my favorite combo these daysā¦ MD within A4 inputsā¦ Yum !
I have to record something quickly.
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When you do it that way it sounds ok, but you have to go without verb on the drums then because unless the kick is on the A4 youāre verbing the kick too. Plus I like to individually verb my drums by varying amounts to give a sense of spacial presence. And the timbre of the MD and the A4ās verbs are miles apart. Going the other way, the MD, being a 12 bit sampler, down samples A4 to the point where there is a noticeable degradation in audio quality. By noticeable, I did A/B tests between the headphone ports at the same volume and A4 sounded castrated through the MD. Even with the compression turned completely off. By comparison the AR, because the only stage before it goes to the output for the inputs is the compressor, there is no degradation of the signal. (or at least, significantly less)
That was just my experience though. I bought the MD, had it for 4 days, returned it, and how Iāve had the AR for 7 days. Take that with as many grains of salt as necessary.
I see your point.
OK with you on the lo-fi aspect of MD resampling.
Now for your verb thing, I feel like MD reverb is OK enough for drums.
OK for me at least.
But one can use panning to get different effects on input left and input right.
Then plock the panning if needed to get stereo FX.
It was more about how MD and A4 stick together : for me MD may be my better drum machine, all I do on this grooves so easy, and all that can be done on synthesis is insane. Besides you can very easily filter every track at the same time, this si so great 
Itās possible you havenāt let the MD enough time to seduce you. It took me a few days before I fell in love with it ^^
Anyway, different tastes, etc.
Now letās go back on the subject : + machines for AR !!
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I see your point.
OK with you on the lo-fi aspect of MD resampling.
Now for your verb thing, I feel like MD reverb is OK enough for drums.
OK for me at least.
But one can use panning to get different effects on input left and input right.
Then plock the panning if needed to get stereo FX.
It was more about how MD and A4 stick together : for me MD may be my better drum machine, all I do on this grooves so easy, and all that can be done on synthesis is insane. Besides you can very easily filter every track at the same time, this si so great
Itās possible you havenāt let the MD enough time to seduce you. It took me a few days before I fell in love with it [1][2]
Anyway, different tastes, etc.
Now letās go back on the subject : + machines for AR !!
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I wasnāt trying to say that the MD verb isnāt good, just that it doesnāt match the A4ās verb. And it doesnāt sound great when itās processing the A4.
I agree that from a synthesis and sound design perspective, the MD is a much better drum machine. What I found though is I was missing fat analog kicks to match my fat analog leads. With the AR I get that, plus the ability to sample in single cycle waveforms to do some fun stuff too. I may still get an MD down the road, but first an OT. So much shit to buy!
On the topic of more machines, Iād love to see more FM. The FM machines on the MD were my go to every time (largely because the TRX machines were unusable).
Guess you need more Elektron machines, not just Rytm synthesis capabilities