It’s not as if Elektron doesn’t read this forum and doesn’t know what their customers are asking for. It’s also not likely that they are going to communicate about potential/upcoming updates with every Tom, Dick, and Harry that emails them about requests…because then people will blab about it online and then say that Elektron sucks when 6 months go by and they haven’t got the new feature. I agree that the RYTM needs more development and it’s frankly unacceptable that machines that were demoed as upcoming upon the initial release have still not been released, but I don’t think it’s because Elektron haven’t noticed the requests. And fortunately Elektron does not have paid updates-they often pack in all sorts of developments in updates (like the +Drive and poly for the A4, or the recent trig conditions) and I personally appreciate that there is no additional fee required to unlock those things. You can go buy a Blofeld if you prefer updates like that, I guess. Your $10-15 contribution isn’t going to get it made any faster.
Also, a question: the machines in the RYTM are more or less fixed for certain purposes, right? So any new machines would have to work with the limitations of the analog components and however they can be expanded with digital control, correct? So, realistically, just how much could they really do to expand the RYTM with new machines? It’s a serious question, as it seems that there would only be a finite amount of unique possibilities due to the architecture, but there may be something I don’t know about the architecture. [/quote]
Since you quoted me:
I did not ask for more machines, since i see the hardware
limitation problem exactly the way you do.
I just asked for software OS improvements,
that shouldn’t be too much
of a problem but would expand creative use a lot.
I have this suspicion that all the voices are built on the same “platform” (including the A4) and that they just let you see what would be best for that particular drum as to not confuse those who don’t know much about synth programming. If that’s the case then there is plenty more features they can open up but probably won’t because it would essentially be an 8 voice analog synth and might eat into the A4(Which oddly makes better percussion sounds) sales.
Just my conspiracy theory.
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I have this suspicion that all the voices are built on the same “platform” (including the A4) and that they just let you see what would be best for that particular drum as to not confuse those who don’t know much about synth programming. If that’s the case then there is plenty more features they can open up but probably won’t because it would essentially be an 8 voice analog synth and might eat into the A4(Which oddly makes better percussion sounds) sales.
Just my conspiracy theory. [/quote]
But this is not the case. If you take a look at the PCB where each voices is clearly identified, you can see its not 8 voices of the same circuit.
I have this suspicion that all the voices are built on the same “platform” (including the A4) and that they just let you see what would be best for that particular drum as to not confuse those who don’t know much about synth programming. If that’s the case then there is plenty more features they can open up but probably won’t because it would essentially be an 8 voice analog synth and might eat into the A4(Which oddly makes better percussion sounds) sales.
Just my conspiracy theory. [/quote]
But this is not the case. If you take a look at the PCB where each voices is clearly identified, you can see its not 8 voices of the same circuit. [/quote]
Don’t ruin this for me!!!
Hah!
I wouldn’t dare bust this damn thing open. I barely take it out of the box as it is!
At this point I’d settle for another LFO, Sample Rate reduction and the ability to sample via the Inputs.
That last one would be super convenient to those non computer users among us. As it is I have to drag my laptop over to the studio every time I want to add a decent drum sound.
… and super impossible
Got photos or a link or anything?
Purely out of professional curiosity.
From the FAQ:
Please explain the differences between the various voice types
All voices have identical digital sample playback engine, overdrive circuit and multimode filter. The difference lies in the specialized percussion sound generators, each designed to generate a specific class of analog drum sounds:
The BD, SD, and RS/CP voices all have a drum sound generator that is basically a small but very flexible dual-oscillator synthesizer capable of a wide array of percussive and electronic sounds. In addition to this, the RS/CP voice has a special circuitry for rimshot synthesis.
The BT voice has a resonant single-oscillator percussion sound generator capable of deep toms and classic boomy bass drum sounds.
The LT and MT/HT voices also have resonant single-oscillator percussion sound generators, but of a more general percussion nature.
The CH/OH voice has a six-oscillator metallic sound generator with several different synthesis methods for creating hihat sounds.
The CY/CB voice also has a six-oscillator metallic sound generator, but with several methods of synthesizing cymbals and cowbells.
Is the Analog Rytm based on the same circuit designs as the Analog Four and Analog Keys?
The analog drum synthesis circuits of the Analog Rytm are designed to provide the best analog drum sounds imaginable. Hence, the circuit designs are created and optimized for this purpose and therefore differ greatly to the Analog Four/Analog Keys designs. The multi-mode filter design of the Analog Rytm is very similar to the ones found in the Analog Four/Analog Keys, but in every other important aspect the construction is very different.
What a shame! They should have learned from the A4 synthesis and built on that as it is far superior for percussion.
Some MD Machines with the RYTM filters would be better. . . probably. That’s just code. Maybe they can slap some of those in there! Hah!
Well that sounds promising 
Promising indeed! The hats and the cymbals are by far the most in need of love in my opinion. Without samples I have a very hard time making anything I personally love with those machines even with plocking the crap out of it.
If there are 6 oscillators in there then you’d think they can be a lot more creative then what they put out so far.
I’m pretty naive when it comes to understanding PCBs and circuit pathways and such. Does anyone know how accessible these Oscillators are on an individual basis? Like, could we make giant 6-note chords with them? Or possibly tune each individually to create some madness? God I hope so. I’m also pretty tired of hearing that Elektron hinders their machines so that you will buy the others. After the MD, I doubt I will be buying anything else from these guys for a long long time. I’m also baffled as to why they would focus on making the AR an I/O box but leave out the External Midi sequencing. That one is just bonkers to me.
i’m by far no technician, but i once talked to a friend about TR 606 modding.
There also - (correct me if i’m wrong please) - the hihats are made from a group of 6 osc (and if i remember right, also the cymbal) and he tried desperately to explain me, that you basically have very little to no access to those oscillators (and that it is something different than having 6 single oscillators), which is why the mod possiblities for the hihat and the cymbal on the 606 are very limited.
As far as i’ve seen (and heard), the 606 is quite touchy to mods and often people are disapointed afterwards, because after hardware modding of pitch envs and stuff like that, part of the magic is gone.
= be careful what you wish 
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Pure speculation on my part, but several different synthesis methods shouldn’t be needed if there is a single optimal hi-hat/cymbal configuration.
Point taken on the 606 though, we’ll wait and see I guess.
Now that I’ve touched MD synthesis, I see what you guys mean 
Hats and Cymbals are soooo nice on it ! Those metallic tones… Yummi !!
And you can get so many different soundings from the different machines !
But even on only one machine, it’s already impressive how far it goes.
OK. I must admit it : now I’ll grow OP’s group of people asking for more machines on AR !!
Got photos or a link or anything?
Purely out of professional curiosity.
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No sorry , i haven’t thought about taking pictures. I had to open mine to fix a pad that was not sensible enough
The 6 oscillators in the noise circuit of the 606 are very crude and are roughly tuned to provide a pleasing mix of overtones. Most of the mods for the hihats and cymbal are actually mods to the filter that that processes the summed output of the 6 noise oscillators. The circuit is in the bottom right corner of this schematic
CGS make a “Cynare” clone, which gives you optional access to its bank of 6 noise oscillators. He terms these oscillators as “shimmer” oscillators. I have made this clone and, to be honest, the extra control for each of the “shimmer” oscillators is really not necessary. Yes, you can get some harmonically interesting types of noise, but in practice there’s really only a couple of sweet spots. If I ever built that circuit again, I would completely omit the individual controls for the “shimmer” section. But again, that’s just me.
Ultimately, though, you should not expect to get 6 tunable VCOs from this configuration, let alone generate chords. The circuits are all tuned to be percussive, not melodic.
If you really want to get crazy with synthesis on the AR, your best bet is to explore the rim shot. It has, by far, the greatest range of character of all the voices.
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OK. I must admit it : now I’ll grow OP’s group of people asking for more machines on AR !!
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no, don’t do it …
join the group of people asking for more lfo’s and … ( you know, the unspeakable…)
it’s nice here! free drinks ! move over !
Am I the only one that feels like the sample layer gives you all the machines you could ever want?
I’ve got a Tanzbar, and an Analog Four, and a Drumatix, and a Tempest, and about 15 other drum machines, all inside my Rytm.
Spoiled people are difficult, if not impossible, to satisfy. it’s the ego that stands in the way of thankfullness.
Spoiled people are difficult, if not impossible, to satisfy. it’s the ego that stands in the way of thankfullness.[/quote]
“Spoiled”?! “Thankfullness”?!?! I had to work hard to afford this thing. It was not given to me.
The sampling is fine. . but an MPC can actually sample!
I’ve mostly switched to a TR-8 and DRM1 MK3 for now. Did a show a couple of weekends ago and they sounded ace through the PA. I didn’t have time to sample everything into the computer, edit it, bounce it, and load it back into the RYTM. If they don’t want to make the analog bits any good, fine, make the sample loading less of a pain. . . . but really, just make the analog bits better.