please show us how?[/quote]
Well, if FM is a controlled form of fast pitch modulation (vibrato), then you can do it by using an LFO to modulate the pitch of any sound… just make the modulator (LFO in this case) run in audio-rate speeds!
Regarding the topic, I was afraid using the term “fanboi” might derail things…[/quote]
That won’t give you a fixed harmonc ratio, unless you can p lock each note with the correct lfo rate., tricky but it can work sometimes. No envelopes though.
I agree.
I was just thinking, if one thinks the reason is worthy enough to be vocal about it, it could be because there’s a specific cause to it. Hence my question. Let’s say you get what you want (because you did ask) - what would you do with it? What’s the current blocker that this would resolve?
But I agree with you, though.
I agree.
I was just thinking, if one thinks the reason is worthy enough to be vocal about it, it could be because there’s a specific cause to it. Hence my question. Let’s say you get what you want (because you did ask) - what would you do with it? What’s the current blocker that this would resolve?
But I agree with you, though.[/quote]
A 2nd lfo would open up a lot of sound design possibilities. Like I was just saying , you could put envelopes on lfo depth and make a crude emulation of polyphonic church bells, which everyone dances to in the year 2026.
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[quote=“tsutek”][quote=" Leighbeater"][quote=“tsutek”]speaking of FM, did you know that you can do FM with the LFOs on the rytm? You don’t necessarily need an FM machine 
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please show us how?[/quote]
Well, if FM is a controlled form of fast pitch modulation (vibrato), then you can do it by using an LFO to modulate the pitch of any sound… just make the modulator (LFO in this case) run in audio-rate speeds!
Regarding the topic, I was afraid using the term “fanboi” might derail things…[/quote]
That won’t give you a fixed harmonc ratio, unless you can p lock each note with the correct lfo rate., tricky but it can work sometimes. No envelopes though.[/quote]
Well, you only have the LFO fade param for env control, which is crude. But harmonic ratios? I thought everyone uses FM to make atonal noises 
kidding aside, you are right… but it can still be considered FM, just sayin
personally, I am still exploring what kind of sounds one can come up with by misusing the various machines… not 100% exhausted even the static side of things (and adding plocks for dynamic movement will keep me exploring even longer).
You cannot compare an old TR808 with a 30 years newer machine. When you purchase a TR808 you’re purchasing a relic, and you’re paying for that. The price does not represent the real machine value.
Back to the topic. There is already 3 BD and 3SD. But just 1 machine for toms (and 2 analog voices used for them) and 1,5 machines for hihats. I really expect an expansion for Toms, BT, Hihats. And weird machines for the CY/CB engine - lots of potential that can be explored, only used nowadays for a CY and a CB.
I don’t really want to add much to this debate, but I’ve always found more creative and positive for my mind to try, as tsutek judiciously pointed, to “misuse” or “hack” what the present instrument offered.
Now I still consider myself as a beginner, so I may not see limitations where it’s obvious for you people.
But did you guys already hacked every little bit of functionality ?
I still have to try the LFO on every single parameter of each Machine,
I was on here a few months ago asking about new machines and got nothing from Elektron, even after contacting them directly.
Don’t hold your breath.
I was about to sell mine as I was frustrated too. Thankfully one of my music partners and I have an arrangement where we temporarily trade gear that is disappointing or plagued with bugs for current setup. I know I’ll want it again so this setup will prevent me from selling at a loss and then buying it again later.
Anyway, I sampled the hell out of my RYTM and sent it away. I recently purchased a Nord Drum 2 and let me tell you, that is a true synthesizer. If the RYTM allowed you to use the reverb with the audio in (I’m still perplexed why they chose not to do that. It just makes no flipping sense) then the Nord 2 and RYTM would be best friends. I guess it will be once I find a decent small reverb box to go inbetween.
The project I’m working on right now needs to sequence from Ableton so I didn’t have a use for the new trig conditions. I look forward to using those when I get it back. But until there are new machines, I’ll let my buddy keep enjoying (which he is tremendously) instead of me being pissy about it.
All in all, it’s a great great machine, but it does need more attention. To me, that’s indisputable.
With that said, if you love everything else about the machine, don’t sell it. You’ll regret it for sure. In about a year it should be the monster of your dreams (or nightmares 
More machines i don’t need, but more lfos
and 1 or 2 other things would be great.
If there’s a collect for a better OS, let me know
I’ll be in
A second LFO would be a HUGE improvement. Let’s hope it happens.
As for a collection, count me out. I already invested the max amount I’m gonna give Elektron for the RYTM (one exception maybe sample packs…maybe).
However, Void will be getting some cash from me down the road for SDS drop. I haven’t looked into Strom, but it sounds cool too.
It is somewhat perplexing that an outsider could make an app that trounces c6 in most every way. Maybe Void just beat them to the punch. If not, maybe Elektron should contract Void for some other programming…? He clearly knows what he’s doing.
You can, via OB sends.
I have my gripes with the machine too, but there is absolutely no such thing as the perfect drum machine for anyone’s workflow. Just make some music and stop hoping new features will solve your creative problems, because they won’t.
+1 (times a thousand)
Amen.
I think its pretty clear by this point Elektron is going to do whatever the hell it is they want to do. So I think it best one focus on making music with this $1500 awesomeness machine, not doing so for the sake of anything else being the real tragedy here.
yeah, all true. just part of the agitation is the fact elektron clearly set up the expectation there will be new machines soon. it was clearly written on elektrons AR web page when AR came out.
Totally agree, plus fullfilling everyone’s wishes is impossible
Totally disagree. Not because of the concept (which is right), but because of the preconceived idea some of you guys seem to have about others here, as if you knew them and their workflow. Maybe because of the “vst disease”, or any other misc reason you associate people asking for features with lack of effort and creativity. First, I thought we were here to debate about Elektron’s stuff not to judge people. And second, following that “rule” everyone that owns more than one synth/drumbox/plugin that does X function is lacking creativity, since they are not hacking enough their own machines to get all the juice out of it and need more to do the same job, right? No. Hacking a snare or a white noise sample to get a hi hat will get you a good sound if done propely, but won’t give you the same sound as an specific Hat machine. That’s the wide range we should want, otherwise we would be still using 808’s sounds (destroyed and tortured to inimaginable levels, but still 808’s sounds) to put an example.
So I’d be totally agree with you if someone asked new machines to avoid making similar sounds with already existing ones (that would fit the creativity problem), but since we don’t know if that’s the case, I prefer to take it as a opportunity to widen the sound range of this great machine, instead of taking the easy way and labeling people that I don’t know. If new features can be implemented, they should be requested and implemented (if they are realistic), since they will also give you new options of doing stuff. So why complaining about requesting improvements?
That said, I totally agree with you again with something: let’s make some music.
Totally agree, plus fullfilling everyone’s wishes is impossible
Totally disagree. …
… I prefer to take it as a opportunity to widen the sound range of this great machine, instead of taking the easy way and labeling people that I don’t know. If new features can be implemented, they should be requested and implemented (if they are realistic), since they will also give you new options of doing stuff. So why complaining about requesting improvements?
That said, I totally agree with you again with something: let’s make some music.[/quote]
Constructive criticism is important to the development process… thats why testing is done.
Bad things happen when good people say nothing… question authority or it will rot on you.
having said that … Its a small price to pay for this forum so just ignore em.
Thanks HnT,
Also for pointing out all those facts. Well said!
Since Elektrons customer communication is not really the best,
this forum could do polls about the most wanted features and adress
them together to Elektron, which means the forum uses the community
power to build up a little customer pressure on Elektron.
And, like said a few times before, i happily would pay 10 or 15 bucks for such a
really improved OS, if money is the reason for not getting it.
It’s not as if Elektron doesn’t read this forum and doesn’t know what their customers are asking for. It’s also not likely that they are going to communicate about potential/upcoming updates with every Tom, Dick, and Harry that emails them about requests…because then people will blab about it online and then say that Elektron sucks when 6 months go by and they haven’t got the new feature. I agree that the RYTM needs more development and it’s frankly unacceptable that machines that were demoed as upcoming upon the initial release have still not been released, but I don’t think it’s because Elektron haven’t noticed the requests. And fortunately Elektron does not have paid updates-they often pack in all sorts of developments in updates (like the +Drive and poly for the A4, or the recent trig conditions) and I personally appreciate that there is no additional fee required to unlock those things. You can go buy a Blofeld if you prefer updates like that, I guess. Your $10-15 contribution isn’t going to get it made any faster.
Also, a question: the machines in the RYTM are more or less fixed for certain purposes, right? So any new machines would have to work with the limitations of the analog components and however they can be expanded with digital control, correct? So, realistically, just how much could they really do to expand the RYTM with new machines? It’s a serious question, as it seems that there would only be a finite amount of unique possibilities due to the architecture, but there may be something I don’t know about the architecture.
This is a drum machine, it does some things and it does not do others. Some people complain that the drum machine does not do what they want (or expected) it to, so they hope and ask for it to be changed or expanded in order to suit their needs. Other people take the limitation with a grain of salt and use it for what it can do.
My perspective on this is that we don’t “need” more machines. They would be nice, yes. They would be welcome, yes. They are not, however, necessary, and if the current state of the machine does not suit someones “needs” then perhaps it is not the right device for their “needs”.
I don’t use a computer in my workflow except as a recording device and have only a a few bits of hardware in my setup. I am guilty of assuming that limitations breed creativity. The rest is interpretation.
Yes, ignoring those bad people you disagree with is the best way to question authority.