IMO it sounds plenty raw. It also has a nice overdrive from the mixer section.
Polys generally are a bit less raw than their mono counterparts though by design. Their role in TYPICAL music is generally a bit different. Not to say that those roles have to be observed, or are even correct these days, but traditionally, the poly is going to be a bit gentler, while the mono can do more on a per-voice basis, and be a bit more forceful.
Give the same power to the poly synth, and it can quite easily overpower other things in the mix. Not that one couldnāt work around this, but I think itās good to think about these things, and use the right tool for the job. That said, I bet the Muse can sound absolutely gigantic. The 3rd Wave and Gemini both can, and have similar feature sets and some similar aspects to parts of the architecture to many other modern polys (Muse included).
Can you point me to where you hear the raw sound. Im not seeing the trad Moog sound but a more refined one. Yes its not a Mono but the Moog one sounds Raw to me.
Watched the Loopop video and this is nice! But makes me so glad that the OB6 doesnāt have so many options and can just be played and understood instantly. This has so many configurations it would just be me staring at the panel not sure what to do next.
Funnily enough as someone who doesnāt get on that well with sequencers on synths, the sequencer, arpegiator and (biggest shock as it always seems the most useless feature) chord mode stuff was my favourite. I almost wish it were a standalone thing. The chord per key thing mixed with standard keys and arps is such a lovely concept. If it could be sequence per key itād be even better and an amazing compositional tool. Even seeing the note letter names in the little sequencer window was a lovely bit of UX.
Yeahā¦ Gemini sounds like it has more range to me from the demos of each, like you canāt totally get that funk vibe on it but you can also get spaced out future vibes. It could just be the demos of the muse but for all its really cool features its sound is more one note than I was expecting even from a Moog. Like everything sounds like vintage funk sounds to me. Not necessarily a bad thing but maybe not the thing for my music.
Matt Johnson pushed the drive a bit in one of his demos. Sounded pretty growly to me. Kind of Grandmother-esque.
It definitely has a more modern Moog sound, IMO, but thereās nothing weak about any of the sounds Iāve heard.
IMO a touch of refinement is just fine. Itās also day one. Not everyone programs the full variet of patch by day one. Also, if I were to hazard an opinion on this, most people go for more mellow tones on polys. I hear more complaints about aggressive sounds on poly demos than I do on them not being bold enough. Look at opinions of the Prophet 6 for example. A lot of people say itās too harsh and bold (even though setting the gain appropriately brings it into perfect P-5 territory.
Itās how one uses the synth. There will be nothing about the circuitry that prevents a synth like this from producing a good range of timbres IMO.
Thereās definitey something to be said about a good sounding synth that is truly immediate. That you can just sit and instantly play and get the results you want.
Thereās also something to be said for something that lets you dig into endless depths.
Iād say having one of each would be beneficial. One to sit and get lost in sound design, and one to sit down and play. I kind of lucked out with the Gemini as it does both. It has a lot more depth than is readily apparent by the panel, but it also just instantly sounds good doing whatever itās doing, so you can just turn it on, teak a few sliders, and play. The 3rd Wave was kind of like that too.
Hmm the muse sounds great. it feels more Sub37/little phatty than it does moog one to me. not a bad thing but after listening to a few demos my gas has disappeared. the āheavyā sound of the moog one doesnāt seem to be present here, of course willing to be proven wrong but a wee bit disappointed
i will say they nailed it with the price though, would have never guessed but i am glad that this opens up moog polyās to a larger audience.
and yes, IMO looks fantastic and love the layout of the front panel
I love Matt Johnson. But he can make anything sound good. I thinks its more a problem of expecting too much from it. I may change my mind but i need more time i think. Not an instant buy yet
I think this synth is competing more with the Rev2 and others of that ilk than it is with an OB6 or P6. Itās capable of pretty deep modulation while also having some nice on-panel modulation ready to go.
The question, I suppose, is if synths like the OB6 and P6 can command their current prices with the Muse on the market.
Agreed! As such, I think it can by its nature do more than people think it can by watching a few YouTube videos on release day. Itās a deep synth. It can be programmed to do what one wants within the boundaries of the type of synth it is.
This. In āclassicā Moogs the mixer would overdrive the filter at 50% or so, leading some to believe that the āMoog soundā was always overdriven (thatās what a single osc at 100% sounds like, after all). The Muse seems to have broken out this confusing and often misunderstood mechanic into itās own fader on the mixer. Without overdrive turned up, the mixer is clean (that is, a very un-Moog-like mixer). With overdrive, it sounds more classic. Look for examples with that overdrive turned up for a better take on that ārawā sound.
However, that also means that ANYONE CAN make it sound good. Itās whether or not one wants to put forth the effort where synths are concerned. Itās not (just) magic, (well, maybe talent can be equated to magic) itās effort and skill too. If a synth can sound good with an amazing synthesist and player, then it obviously has all that potential inherent to its design. Itās the userās responsibility to bring that out of it.
That said, different types of synths may speak to you more personally, and be a better choice for you. Iām not arguing against that at all.
Iām just saying that thereās nothing about the Muse that would make it hard to make nice sounds on.
well, I saw some comments by him on othersā YT videos. but I had no idea heād actually been involved with the development of the synth. now some of these features make sense, knowing the crazy shit he likes to do with synths. canāt wait for his demos!
One to sit and get lost in sound design, and one to sit down and play. I kind of lucked out with the Gemini as it does both. It has a lot more depth than is readily apparent by the panel, but it also just instantly sounds good doing whatever itās doing, so you can just turn it on, teak a few sliders, and play. The 3rd Wave was kind of like that too.
