Those patches all sound alike to me! Close your eyes and I don’t think you can tell them apart, aside from the noisy output of the dx7.
That video was super interesting. Yes, the opsix had 2 differences.
- the hissing top end noise on opsix was obvious (I guess we’re thinking that’s the quantization noise from the 12-bit sine operator?)
- THE DX7 sounded creamier and more present in the mid lows! WTF? I don’t think that’s merely an effect of the absence of the high end quantization noise.
This video makes me happy I have a DX7.
Again though, why all the DX7 comparing?
It’s like comparing a prophet 12 to a Juno 60.
Will be no desktop, and korg has said no desktop for wavestate either. They don’t sell well enough.
I’m safe again!
What @RhythmDroid said
And @Soarer I bought it for what it can do, not to copy a dx7 (I have a tx81z). I thought the comparison was interesting.
You might be able to get 3 or 4 Volca FMs for the price of an Opsix and put those on your desk.
3 Volca FMs would give you tri-timbrality and 9 voice poly.
It will give you 3 power supplies (you’ll need to buy a power bar).
It won’t give you Program Change (at least, not with an official Firmware).
It won’t give you MIDI Thru (you’ll have to buy a MIDI Thru device).
You’ll need 3 MIDI Channels if you want to use polyphony.
Etc.
If anyone wants a Korg FM synth with massive bottom end and is considering the OPSIX, get a DS-8 and install the Ctrlr panel to have full editor control without using the on-board editing. https://ctrlr.org/korg-ds-8-panel/
The bass from the DS-8 will rattle your teeth, and this OPSIX sounds very very thin in comparison. I’d still like to hear one in real life to confirm that this is the case, and not just the videos.
Fully multi-timbral, you can stack patches, split, etc, the effect engine is awesome… great keyboard… I don’t know why Korg didn’t go this route with the OPSIX, I was fully prepared to buy the big board they had at the show as a teaser but it’s a hard pass for me with the current incarnation.
That’s how this all started for me, with some volcas and some moogerfoogers. I just got tired of all the korg sequencers and thought a digitakt would tie it all together. My main complaint of that set up was it monopolized two power strips with all the power adaptors. The moogerfoogers were sold and turned into eurorack and it turns out the digitakt by itself was way more fun than a stack of volcas.
So what I want is a block of additional voices to make the most of the midi tracks I am under-utilizing. I am not looking to multiply the number of devices. As I might have mentioned earlier in this thread, I am looking for a multitimbral synth that’s as fun as my little modular case because the modular case would be leaving to make room for said synth. OPSIX looks promising but I don’t need a keybed and I would like a proper multitimbral experience like the digitone.
Well that is certainly more cool than a volca.
Digitone!
i was joking about buying a herd of Volca FMs but the Kodamo EssenceFM is a module with way more poly and I think 16-part multimbral - that would be the more serious recommendation.
Without programming it yourself, how can you know it won’t make tooth destroying basses?
I fail to see how ANY synth with a triangle sine wave couldn’t be made to destroy walls.
It’s not like it (probably) has any sort of shelving filters or EQ that automatically removes bass frequencies. That’s not really a standard practice in synth design.
A synth is generally as thin as its programmer.
Sure, there are some properties (mostly in analog filters) that can remove bass frequencies. Like an uncompensated ladder filter for example.
We are talking about a digital FM synth that provides standard waveforms. If one can’t make a deep bass with this, I don’t know what one COULD make one on.
You’re completely right on all points. I would expect to hear at least a few huge beefy bass patches though, and I haven’t heard a single one from it so far in all the videos I watched. You’re 1000x more knowledgeable than me in the electronics realm, don’t converters and the circuitry used in the journey from the digital signal to analog outputs play a significant part in the sound? It just sounds very weak to me, but I’m still open.
If it were n-timbral, I would care about the Bass aspect but it’s basically a mono-timbral Synth so it’s not meant to do full Songs on its own (unless you create and record them one by one). I’m sure most of the people have one or more dedicated devices that can produce heavy Bass Sounds. I would concentrate more on the Modulation aspect of the Synth. For me, there’s nothing wrong with a Synth being thin (like the Minilogue), it sits well in the Mix.
That said, I’m sure OPSIX can produce big Bass Sounds.
Just to be clear, I wasn’t commenting on any demos. I’ve heard some good some not great. My guess is that if you set out to build a crazy bass on it you could do it. That’s all.
Yes, in some cases conversion could make a bit of a difference, but most modern ones do well enough IMO. The filters could have something to do with it as well.
The analog path shouldn’t impact it too much. Most contemporary op amps used in synths are more than capable. AC coupling with too small a cap value could cut bass response as well. I would hope Korg engineers know that though. All pretty basic stuff.
Also, I can’t say with 100% certainty that some collection of bad decisions didn’t make this synth a bit thinner. I just tend to doubt it. It could be the signal chain in some if the demos. Could be compression on the videos.
I do plan to get one though at some point, so I guess I’ll find out
If it sounds bad I’ll be the first to come and complain
I’ve been waiting for you to do this.
I know it’s early days but do you have a sound design preference between the OPsix and Wavestate?