Is Tonverk the most straight forward Elektron device if I was using it as a glorified 8 track recorder?
Oh sh**. I read it as 1069e for some reasonā¦ i got mine same price as you did. Will record something soon. Even just a quick jam 
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nice one, lookin forward to hearing em
Im movin house at the moment, total chaos it is but Iāll get some jams reccied soon hopefully
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I donāt think so because you can record only one sample at a time, that you need then to apply to a track. A Push3 might be better for your usecase
Everything is leading me to want a Tonverk as the center piece of my setup but Iām struggling to imagine which 1 stereo or 2 mono synths I would route into it, and would I need a mixer and more complex routing to deal with the small amount of inputs.
Hell no, itās a lot more complex and complicated than most other Elektrons!
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Not really. Digitakt is, IMO.
If you want to play samples polyphonically, or if you need a relatively standalone groovebox, then yes, itās a good choice.
It what you need is an 8-track recorder, I am not sure this is really what you are looking for. For instance, it cannot be used as a looper.
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Other than product segmentation, is there any good reason to not give sub tracks the same track effects that are in DTII? Iām talking about Sample Rate, Overdrive and Bit Rate Reduction.
Having blank positions on that page looks super dumb and is sort of frustrating.
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Yeah therefor Sends or Subbusses on a mixer would be the solution.
The TV imo needs a mixer or lets midly say profits from a mixer setup. They suggest you to even use the second outputs for routing into other fx and back into the TV.
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Ehm, you know that Tonverk is all about FX and the oneās you mentioned are part of degrader (which has additional options not available on DT)? TV has busses with these plus more FX plus the super track can have them plus thereās sends on top plus a mix track with inserts? You could route several instances of the FX youāve mentioned into each other and still have other FX to add on top.
Iām all for looking at TV critically, but comparing it negatively to DT or any other Elektron when it comes to FX is not something Iād think about.
Now you could say āwhy canāt each element of a sub track have theseā but thatās not something that DT can do either because it doesnāt even have sub tracks and each track holds one sample and even it you use slices on it the FX are always shared.
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Itās true, there is a lot of room for update on this machine.
The goal was to get the best balance between solid and feature-packed, itās always plenty of hard choices.
Now you can still use the track FX and plock them on the main track, so itās not like there are no workarounds.
But I get the frustration, beta-testers were not spared in this area 
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as a software engineer and an owner. appreciate the communication.
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Hydrasynth Explorer/Desk/etc would be a sick add to the TV. I have the Hydra connected to the Octa and itās a blast. If I could multisample a Hydrasynth patch and then have that 8 times, man. Also great would be the Korg Minilogue XD, especially for the analog part. I would say the Minifreak too.
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Thatās not true. Maybe Iām misunderstanding. Since weāre comparing the two, Digitakt is basically a super track containing 16 subtracks, is it not? Each track in DT has the three fx I mentioned above, as well as send fx.
It is great that each subtrack has its own filter, but why not give them further shaping abilities, especially when there are holes in the fx page?
Iām not really speaking negativly, it just seems illogical to me. Maybe these fx use too much DSP? I sort of doubt it, but Iām not computer scientist.
No, DT II is more like a TV with 16 single player tracks, but each one of them only allows you to use the three fixed send FX plus SRR, BR and overdrive. If you put it that way, DT is a very crippled TV (albeit with twice as many tracks), which also doesnāt make sense to me since DT has other advantages over TV like slices.
Complaining about sub track limitations is a bit like missing the point that there actually are sub tracks, as @Snipecatcher has put it elsewhere. Itās more fair to compare sub tracks to something like a drum sampler track on OP XY or one shot track on Bento, and Iād say it gives you a lot more options for the individual samples than these types of tracks on most other grooveboxes.
If you need fine control over FX settings for individual samples, you can use several single player, sub or multi tracks on TV. Just like you would on DT. But there might be some tracks where itās fine that they share a few things, and for those you can use sub tracks and increase the track count by a lot. Itās the best of both worlds really. DT has the edge of course if you need 16 tracks (or more than 8) where each one gives you the options youāve mentioned.
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Okay, I think I see your point.
But when would someone ever use distortion, overdrive, bit reduction as a send effect? Thatās just not something I would ever do, as it effectively doubles your audio source?
Again, maybe Iām missing somethings about the architecture of super/sub tracks and tmrouting within TV, but I really donāt understand how you could add these types of effects to a subtrack.
Also, Iām not complaining, Iām confused at the omissions. Itās cool to have a lil drum machine type thing in the device. It just seems unreasonably limited on a device that boasts itself as a strong effect processor.
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I think the confusion with sub tracks might come from the fact that itās sometimes not clear what exactly people are taking about: the super track of a sub track or one of the eight individual sample slots within a sub track. The super track allows you to choose two insert FX and offers you the three sends on top. If you want it to be like a DT, you choose degrader as one of the insert FX and then you have SRR, BRR, overdrive plus reverb, delay and chorus on the sends, like a DT.
But on TV, you can then add another insert FX on top of that, plus degrader has other parameters like freeze or dropout, which arenāt present on DT, plus you have LFOs and a sequencer lane for these FX, plus you can route them to busses and also have a mix track. Each of these has these same options on top of the oneās Iāve already mentioned.
The only thing a sub track doesnāt have is the option to have different settings for SRR, BRR and overdrive for each of the up to eight individual samples of a sub track. But thatās also the case on DT, where each track can only have one setting for these FX. And, crucially, only one sample. While sub tracks can hold up to eight different samples and then have all of the FX options.
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Been thinking about the requests for chopping and slicing, seemingly being 2 of the most requested features so far. I have no idea about the plans for Tonverk, and perhaps Iām being naive here butā¦
I know developers make choices sometimes for technical and others for marketing reasons to encourage the sales of different devices. But letās imagine the most popular feature requests are granted, and Digitakt II gains 4 note polyphony and loop fades, while Tonverk gets sample slicing and timestretch. Even if they had some feature parity on those elements, there would still be major differences and reasons to choose one over the other, with Tonverk getting you:
- 16 vs 64 voices
- 17 vs 6 FX (18 if we count the easter egg)
- Buses and routing
- Arp/Chord mode
- More sample time, more project memory etc
So yeah Iām not sure keeping slices off the TV will encourage sales of DTII, which in itself is now being marketed as more than a drum machine: āDrums arenāt all itās capable of. There are all kinds of melodic and harmonic possibilities to play withā So essentially theyāre both samplers and both can do rhythmic and sampled stuff to a similar degree. Does the ādrum machine vs melodic machineā hold up in that case?
If we assume a buyer picks up Tonverk, sure Digitakt II would get you kits, euclidean mode and sample slicing/timestretch, plus the DTII hardware could make your setup more playable. But thereās still a lot of overlap and youāll pay Ā£850 (aka: nearly a Tonverk again) for that. At that point I think Elektron might lose rather than gain customers. A Polyend Tracker Mini has all of those features from DTII, with euclidean sequencing, sample slicing, a sortof version of timestretch, and even some nifty generative stuff on top for about half the money. And if you only want chopping and timestretch, maybe an SP404 would do that job for even less?
Just a thought but I wondered if others had come to a similar or different conclusion?
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Ah, okay, I think is the part I overlooked.
I assumed the Super track only had the ability to send to the Bus or Send effects, but they actually have an additional 2 insert effects per super track?
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