Introducing Tonverk

[Tchu]

@rob_lee

at least 90%

Not 99% though.

What would be the % of this Tonverk from what you’ve read?

[rob_lee]

Oh I have no idea without having a TV in front of me, only the original beta testers could maybe tell you a percentage of what they think it was on release.

[szzdz]

i think this is an important conversation to have for the times we’re living in and to come. it’s really unfortunate to see people who paid ~$1500 to have to do the work latency testing that people on the payroll should have been doing (and beta testers would’ve found easily) instead of creating. there are plenty of ways companies can earn trust and support with all the shit happening around us, and putting a little in the box while folks are counting down the days until their return window closes probably isn’t the best example of one. i still have mad respect for elektron, and their instruments will be in my studio forever, but these things do add up, especially with a new direction and hints of more new and expensive boxes.

[mfk]

I went to school as a beta tester and it was pointless. There was never any new firmware. My children have to go to the same stupid schools I went to back then.
I was a beta tester for the Electribe 2s. Unasked. And all of today’s Electribe 2s buyers are still beta testers. There’s a hacked firmware. It adds a little something. But it remains in beta status.
I was a beta tester for the Akai Rhythm Wolf, Akai Tom Cat, and Akai MPX16—unasked, after market launch. To be honest, I was even an alpha tester. There was never an update.
I’ve bought a lot of music equipment over the years. The test results were great, the prices just about bearable. I sold everything again. It didn’t work. The workflow was always stupid, not the sound.
Okay, maybe we’re all beta testers now. What an honor! We’re helping to make the product better. We can still contribute our own ideas.
Elektron has ALWAYS delivered solid products so far. Sometimes it took a while, that’s true. But then there was usually a free upgrade.

[quietearth]

@avantronica

The inability to copy a whole pattern (seq/sound) ahead (i.e.withour leaving the current one) into an empty slot is the greatest omission (and pretty much a show stopper for my interests) as you can’t work up from scratch meaningfully …

Hey, genuinely interested in what you mean here. I feel like I’m able to do this in my projects on tonverk, but maybe I’m misunderstanding what you mean. What am I missing? Thanks!

[DimensionsTomorrow]

@michaelliuzzi

Well I guess i wanted some ideas on how people use the sample player currently.
Do they record a 4 bar loop? Do they use it for some background texture?

If it were me, I would use it like I use the polysampler on my Roland P-6. Sample a sound, loop it, shape the sound like you would a synth, run it through effects and transform it into an original instrument that you can play like a polyphonic synthesizer. With the TV you have loads of ways to modulate the sample and switch up the effects (p-locking), so you should be able to create some really interesting and complex textural/ambient sounds, unlike anything you could do on the other Elektron boxes.

For context, here is something like that described above done on the Roland P-6 with only a 1-second sample of an electric piano off a library record. This was played live because the sequencer is not as nice as the Elektron sequencer IMHO.

Roland P-6: Yamaha VSS30-style ambient/textural loops/drones

This is basically the same idea, although it also employs the granular engine on the P-6, but all just a single very short sample, looped, morphed and run through effects.

Roland P-6: Granular: Dreamy 1970s Underwater TV Show Soundscape/Library Music/Ambient/Drones

I’m sure people can do a lot more complex and interesting things with everything available on the TV.

[dragonaut]

@Azzarole

But if you only want to use one track for all your drums, TV has the clear advantage that the sub track is poly, so you can actually program a whole pattern on it.

What do you mean, the Move which you also mentioned has 16 voices of polyphony per drum rack vs TV’s 8. Don’t know about the others.

@Azzarole

I‘m sometimes a bit surprised how people talk about sub tracks like a mind blowing new invention.

Agreed.

[dragonaut]

Those are built in p6 fx? I dig all of the videos on your channel!

[DimensionsTomorrow]

Thanks. It’s been a long time since I made that. I always do a little light mastering to my tracks, but it’s mostly (95%?) P-6.

For reference, the first track is all just a few seconds of the beginning of this (I misremembered it being 1 second, probably more like 5-7 seconds. I grabbed the first two or three notes at the start of the song.)

[michaelliuzzi]

thank you, thats very helpful.

I also found much better luck with the single sample players transposition using long, relatively constant pitch samples. I’m sure there’s more to figure out!

[Lizard-of-Oz]

If you see things that way, you might want to read Harold Jarche‘s „Life in Perpetual Beta“ as a counterpoint, to see how a such a paradigm can be embraced in a productive way. Those ideas resonate a lot with me. But it does imply collaboration, communication, and in a way, humility. It’s not at all about shipping half-baked products and then possibly abandoning them along the way (like Electribe you describe).

My point being: there is better ways for f dealing with complexity. Things don’t have to be that way. We can’t change the complexities of life, of running a company, of developing products. But we can do that in a way where everyone involved has a significantly better time.

[avantronica]

@quietearth

feel like I’m able to do this

Perhaps there’s a nuance being overlooked … to make the idea clearer it’s crucial to think about starting from scratch

From a blank pattern (say A1) select your sounds and improvise your pattern

Now copy this whole arrangement to the next pattern A2 without leaving A1 which is still playing

You can now move to A2 and develop something there for variation or to be able to chain 1 and 2 or seamlessly jump between them or further variations

The key thing is progressing without stopping or creating gaps so you can capture some cohesive improvising in one take when the muse strikes

Unless the key combinations to do this are different I don’t believe this is implemented yet. it’s possible on most other Elektrons afaicr

Search here for copy ahead on the fly …

Pattern copy on the fly

yeehah - danke - at the 10th attempt (you REALLY need to 'AND HOLD" you also get a nice screen confirmation and helpfully it keeps you in the original pattern slot) it also works for clearing too - i don’t think i read this in the manual … c r u c i a l l y though, it doesn’t play nicely with any pattern select mode other than Sequential ! That’s a shame ! Invaluable tip My tip to Elektron is that if you monitor (and act on) the button release, rather than the button down, it could work in oth…

[LordLeighton]

Thats harder to prove. It would need quite a bit of proven evidence. And probably wouldn’t be worth the expense in time doing so.

[rtme]

@Megamind

Consider it a lesson for buying a brand new product on day one. More often than not that is asking for trouble.

@notehorn

I hate to ‘blame the victim’ but this is an important takeaway.

While it’s true nowadays it’s also a bit insane isn’t it? Do we tolerate “day 1 problems” with other consumer goods like tv’s or dishwashers?

“I want to buy this vacuum cleaner but I’ll wait for a year when the firmware is stable enough”.

We should actually be much more upset with flawed music hardware as we are now.

[Elekktrikk]

@sentionaut62

Does the arp send midi notes out?

YES! It does.
Just tested it:

• TV - MIDI out → MIDI in - Volca Keys
• Track 1 TV: set to MIDI, channel 1
• Track 1 TV: activated Arp, programmed some polyphonic steps (hold step number and chord on mini keyboard above)
• Volca Keys - audio out → TV audio in AB
• TV Mixer - route AB in to Track 2
• Track 2: load insert FX (chroma pitch, degrade)

Result: Arp is played on Volca keys and routed through internal FX of Track 2. Great!

Next I sampled a phrase (was in a hurry, still miss record start with sequencer start like I do miss it on DT). Track 2 could playpack the sample AND mixed in incoming signals AB (if I did not mishear)!

• only small irritation: recorded sample sounds slightly differently than the routed audio signal (like high end emphasis), needed some filter tweaking.

This is such a great function!

• Finally Arp Midi out (and with 256 steps you can really do some chord progressions)
• AND in the SAME device route it through own FX (not only master FX) AND resample it

This is so great. I don’t care what is not implemented yet or which bugs it has. These functions alone are worth it for live sound sculpting, drone, … Love it.

[Area_808]

Next time, take some videos - 2 or 3 - of the problems. Upload and attach to the email. It’s the proof!

I returned an Erica Nightverb to Juno recently. Interface was a mess, buggy as hell. Three videos attached showing exactly the problem.

Juno refunded me in full as soon as they got it back.

[Azzarole]

@dragonaut

What do you mean, the Move which you also mentioned has 16 voices of polyphony per drum rack vs TV’s 8. Don’t know about the others.

Yeah that’s cool, although it’s also necessary with Move’s four track limit. Bento and XY’s one shot tracks unfortunately aren’t poly, but they have eight tracks total to make up for that.

[notehorn]

I agree in principle, but software is (in 2025) a lot more complicated than it used to be, and sometimes very difficult to test thoroughly.

You also want to learn how people are using it so you can iterate based on that rather than make a thousand assumptions.

So Im ok with it to an extent.

I wouldn’t expect a pro musician to be using a day 1 piece of hardware anymore than I’d expect a workplace to be using a nightly build of Linux.

Hardware however, you can’t iterate on that, not without pissing a lot of people off, so there is no wiggle room there.

[noogy]

I use Andertons a lot and they are excellent with returns, quick, easy and eager to rectify any issues. In fact my now returned Tonverk came from them.

[BrokenGadget]

@Megamind

You could probably get a better deal just selling it.

No, if it’s faulty then you should be able to return it under UK consumer rights legislation. You may need to pay postage, but shouldn’t have to pay a handling fee.

Trading Standards can advise, you’d need to contact the office nearest Rubadub.

Selling it on won’t work if you give a true and fair description of the product, which the OP considers not a true multisampler and not fit for purpose. If someone bought it without that description they would be in their rights to come back the the OP.