…it’s Nietzsche time 
They don’t make 'staches like that anymore!!
On 3 January 1889, at age 44, Nietzsche suffered a mental collapse. Two policemen approached him after he caused a public disturbance in the streets of Turin. What happened remains unknown, but an often-repeated tale from shortly after his death states that Nietzsche witnessed the flogging of a horse at the other end of the Piazza Carlo Alberto, ran to the horse, threw his arms up around its neck to protect it, and then collapsed to the ground.
In the following few days, Nietzsche sent short writings—known as the Wahnbriefe (“Madness Letters”)—to a number of friends including Cosima Wagner and Jacob Burckhardt. Most of them were signed “Dionysos”, though some were also signed “der Gekreuzigte” or “the crucified one”. To his former colleague Burckhardt, Nietzsche wrote: “I have had Caiaphas put in fetters. Also, last year I was crucified by the German doctors in a very drawn-out manner. Wilhelm, Bismarck, and all anti-Semites abolished.” Additionally, he commanded the German emperor to go to Rome to be shot and summoned the European powers to take military action against Germany.
the beauty of Nietzsche was he said a lot of great things from the nihilist persepctive until he finally went so deep into it, he went crazy…
…proving his own bottomless pit of nihilism
yeah…the stache is cool
One such reaction to the loss of meaning is what Nietzsche calls ‘passive nihilism’, which he recognises in the pessimistic philosophy of [url=“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer”]Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer’s doctrine, which Nietzsche also refers to as [url=“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Buddhism#Philosophical_interest”]Western Buddhism, advocates separating oneself from will and desires in order to reduce suffering. Nietzsche characterises this [url=“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asceticism”]ascetic attitude as a “will to nothingness”, whereby life turns away from itself, as there is nothing of value to be found in the world. This moving away of all value in the world is characteristic of the nihilist, although in this, the nihilist appears to be inconsistent.
Just got my Rytm this morning (oups, it’s already the afternoon… )
It’s my first hardware drum machine. So my opinion is not based from any previous / other machine.
I didn’t dig into every synth engine yet, I just wanted to switch on and jam.
What’s magic so far is the UI and sequencer. You know how to use the A4, you (almost) know how to use AR.
A bit disappointed by the pads response, but I read about them so it’s no surprise … And if future updates don’t fixes this and still bothers me, maybe i’ll buy a controller … Not a big deal. Also, they actually are bigger than i expected.
Didn’t try to load sample from Linux yet … Just making patterns, tweaking sound here and there.
About the sound, I’m happy - as I said, I didnt dig into every machine / parameters. But so far I’m confident it’ll fit my needs (the hat seems a little always the same though, still you got samples). Compressor seems very fun.
The one thing I’m afraid about now is having so many tracks/voices (from 6/4 to 16/12) to handle. Gonna start small.
So I’m very happy now 
Going back to it 
I see it like this:
Some people are happy with the gear as-is, fine.
Some people are not and will end up selling, fine.
Some people are mostly happy with the gear, but would like improvements and bugs fixed, fine.
I remember after the Octatrack had been out a little while, people were airing genuine and valid concerns about the UI, and often it would result in arguing, and a certain fanboy element saying stuff like “oh it’s not that hard to use” like they were some kind of superior intellect with secret magic ninja skills, when people were not really saying it was difficult to use, but that it was awkward and badly implemented, a totally different thing.
I guess really the people who don’t care for the gear won’t be around long anyway, but in my opinion it is the most enthusiastic people are the ones who suggest features, and criticise the gear with a view to getting improvements, of course there are always the donuts who suggest unrealistic features based on their lack of technical knowledge, but everyone was a beginner at some point, right? Far better to educate than berate.
The worst kind of behaviour on this forum IMHO comes from the silly arguments, which can get pretty petty.
I see it like this:
Some people are happy with the gear as-is, fine.
Some people are not and will end up selling, fine.
Some people are mostly happy with the gear, but would like improvements and bugs fixed, fine.
I remember after the Octatrack had been out a little while, people were airing genuine and valid concerns about the UI, and often it would result in arguing, and a certain fanboy element saying stuff like “oh it’s not that hard to use” like they were some kind of superior intellect with secret magic ninja skills, when people were not really saying it was difficult to use, but that it was awkward and badly implemented, a totally different thing.
I guess really the people who don’t care for the gear won’t be around long anyway, but in my opinion it is the most enthusiastic people are the ones who suggest features, and criticise the gear with a view to getting improvements, of course there are always the donuts who suggest unrealistic features based on their lack of technical knowledge, but everyone was a beginner at some point, right? Far better to educate than berate.
The worst kind of behaviour on this forum IMHO comes from the silly arguments, which can get pretty petty.[/quote]
There is a difference between focusing on and suggesting a couple of useful features…and complaining about every little detail on a machine. I know the difference between suggestion and obsession…I am a psych grad myself.
I actually enjoyed this thread in the beginning and found it helpful in learning more about the machine and its limitations, but when it turned into this obsessive detailed critique of every little thing on the machine…it just turned into negative energy and not enjoyable, helpful or interesting anymore.
I also resent the label “fanboy” when really you dont know this person. In my studio i have Moog, Alesis, Akai, Genelic, NI and soon Modal…so it’s a bit childish to brush people off under some kind of assumption.
Once again, i don’t hear anyone coming up with any better alternative drum machines. I did my research before i bought the Rytm…so I know what is out there. I’ve been doing gear / music since the late 90s. I have a black Microwave XT sitting near me from that time. I even have a Quasimidi 309 sitting in my storage downstairs. IMO Rytm deserves respect. If every thread on here like this one didnt end up the same way…it wouldn’t be a problem. The people who like the machine deserve a voice too…and not to be drowned out by the negativity.
If you don’t like it…sell it and move on…and let the people who do like it exchange ideas on here in peace…it’s more productive. If you have suggestions to improve the machine, send it to the company…they are the only ones who can do something about it.
I noticed that you came around to liking it…so great!
and before someone suggests the Tempest. here is a oscilloscope photo of it’s waveform from somebody who owns one and was compaining about it…and this person is a well-known youtube gear presenter…also really likes DSI stuff and wanted to like the Tempest:
There is a difference between focusing on and suggesting a couple of useful features…and complaining about every little detail on a machine. I know the difference between suggestion and obsession…I am a psych grad myself.
I actually enjoyed this thread in the beginning and found it helpful in learning more about the machine and its limitations, but when it turned into this obsessive detailed critique of every little thing on the machine…it just turned into negative energy and not enjoyable, helpful or interesting anymore.
I also resent the label “fanboy” when really you dont know this person. In my studio i have Moog, Alesis, Akai, Genelic, NI and soon Modal…so it’s a bit childish to brush people off under some kind of assumption.
Once again, i don’t hear anyone coming up with any better alternative drum machines. I did my research before i bought the Rytm…so I know what is out there. I’ve been doing gear / music since the late 90s. I have a black Microwave XT sitting near me from that time. I even have a Quasimidi 309 sitting in my storage downstairs. IMO Rytm deserves respect. If every thread on here didnt end up the same way like this one…it wouldn’t be a problem. The people who like the machine deserve a voice too…and not to be drowned out by the negativity.
If you don’t like it…sell it and move on…and let the people who do like it exchange ideas on here in peace…it’s more productive. If you have suggestions to improve the machine, send it to the company…they are the only ones who can do something about it.
I noticed that you came around to liking it…so great![/quote]
Yeah… that fanboy label is a personal attack…
and some feature suggestions are one thing, and crap like Elekton sucks, they are only in it for the money, they don’t care about users is another thing.
and then when there are some actual suggestions, they are often accompanied by big exaggerations. Because feature X isn’t there, the Rytm sucks and is useless… that sort of thing.
I agree that the Rytm deserves respect. So does Elektron. It doesn’t matter that there are some flaws and mistakes… they are still producing some of the best equipment you can buy anywhere. And every single device by any company has its flaws and limitations. It is the nature of life.
The internet has made it too easy to sit at home and criticize. I wish the forum were friendlier with less negativity.
The internet has made it too easy to sit at home and criticize. I wish the forum were friendlier with less negativity.
All the best,
waldemaR
I also have an oscilloscope and AR …can I be of any help?
It is the nature of life. <<< that’s why i brought up Nietzsche 
the glass is half full…or it’s half empty
right on
I also have an oscilloscope and AR …can I be of any help?[/quote]
if you wanna compare…go for it. i am pretty sure you won’t find broken wavefroms like that on it…not from the analog machine side…at least not that i have been able to hear. he said he could hear it on the Tempest as well. according to the guy…he felt that Tempest had been rushed and used less quality parts…actually he even got an email back from the company along those lines…don’t remember exactly, but something that they had to keep the price down.
Some people are just a bit sensitive - criticism and labels like “fanboy” are fine IMO - it’s all about how you read it. Remember people used to say “don’t believe everything you read in the papers” or “its only a movie” - well it’s obvious that the same attitude applies to the interwebz.
You need to apply your own critical lens to everything you read and try to respect other people’s opinions no matter how crazy you think they are - maybe you “can’t hear the music” that they do.
The fact that the Internet has made criticism and complaints about products easier is balanced by the fact that praise and “fanboyism” is also easier - THIS IS GOOD FOR CONSUMERS - in fact it’s among one of the most important benefits that the Internet has brought to ordinary people - access to product detail and experiences that were once only possible by word of mouth (i.e. A real world friends opinion) - there is a well know concept in the new age of Marketing that :
“a brand is not what we say we are, it’s what our users say we are”
- as consumers/customers we all need to embrace this warts and all - because you can be sure that every smart business has already embraced this concept, including Elektron - in fact, I can tell you with some certainty that it one of the reasons why this forum exists, and why Elektron don’t really mind good and bad opinions.
The glass is broken. Hah!!!
Regardless of whether the glass is half full or half empty, one can still pick it up and have a drink.
“Fanboy” is dismissive…“oh, we dont have to listen to you because you’re just a fanboy” - and that is how it was being used here.
I dont mind a little critisizm either…it is healthy. but there is a difference between that and obsession.
“oh, you know…the snare drum isn’t quite right either”
if you didnt do your research and check to see what you were buying before you bought it…that’s your own fault. thats where the internet / youtube is helpfull…knowing what you are buying before you buy it.
if you read some of the comments in this thread about Rytm and then go and watch some youtube reviews and listen to the sounds…they are complete opposite directions. this suggests subjectivism.
Exactly my point - I thank the Internet for allowing us easy access to these completely opposite and subjective opinions as it enables me to make a much more informed decision about any planned purchase - it’s all good, including rants, obsessions and negativity - bring it on I say.
San Diego is where you wanna go… if you like jackin-it