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waldemaR
Welcome to 2014. hope you like waiting.
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They built a 1500 ⏠machine that has bugs all over the place which dont get addressed thanks to OB - or just thanks to Elektron not caring about anymore, idk. They have Pads that are so badly calibrated that your fingers hurt if you actually wanna finger drum - you COULD eventually come to the idea of doing this if you have Pads that are normally MEANT for this, right?! 
They limited the Rytms possibilities in areaâs that are counter productive - LFO fix per part instead of freely assignable, its all digital its all easy to change! No EQ per part, which again would be easy to implement because this is all digital. No significant differences in the Hihat Machines is noticeable, the OH and CH sound the same, variation again only possible with samples ^^ And yeah, the Kit-Thing was just mentioned before, not so disturbing for me though. And on top of that you have a Bassdrum that looses lowend on cheaper systems when you make it sound a certain (808ish) way. Which is just too much for me; Acceptance Limit reached ! Im very disappointed.
I can see your point, i understand what you say and you have some very good arguments. But the Rytm is not my first Elektron machine and when i compare it to the rest of the machines - obviously to the MD which i guess a lot of us have, on way or another - i am unsatisfied because Elektron did not well here !! Especially if you consider how much you have to pay for it - 1500 ⏠!! For 1500 ⏠the stuff just HAS to be awesome, or at least: You have to see that the company cares for making it awesome. Which you dont see, i sometimes feel Elektron already forgot the Rytm ^^ I never cared for OB i wanted a machine that is cared of!!
Anyway: I KNOW they couldâve done better with the Rytm, but they didnt and - in addition to the problems with the BD - this feels like artificial restriction for NO fu**in reason!
But this wont be a problem anymore soon. I will sell my Rytm i guess and go back to the MD. It was way better suited for what i need, offers a lot more flexibility and as someone already said: the A4 can do analog drumsounds as well 
Its just ⌠i so damn wanted the Rytm to be Elektrons new statement of what a drummachine is, i trusted Elektron in making awesome products because they always did. I was so terribly wrong and i will NEVER buy any new product from Elektron without intense testing in advance anymore.[/quote]
Good to hear you came to a decision and can move on.
For me, the Rytm is an exceptional instrument. Sure there are some rough edges⌠sure the updates have been delayed⌠However there is no chance that Elektron is going to abandon the Rytm and I guess even you know full well that the expected updates will come.
Even as is this box is something special. I heard it in the recent Elektron contest where each entry could use just one machine. The Rytm entries consistently sounded particularly good to my ears. The entries were diverse, musical, not repetitive or mechanical and there is some magic to the sound. The analog plus samples is a compelling combo and the Rytm hits a good mark for power vs ease of use.
The pads are not my favorites either. I consider them a weak point of the Rytm. I knew I didnât particularly like them before I purchased and I decided to accept that weak point and considering they are hardware, donât expect much or any improvement. ( Someone at Elektron has heavy hands. The Aftertouch on my AK is also on the hard side. )
Anyway, maybe you will buy one again 6 months from now⌠or maybe it just isnât right for you⌠but either way, none of this stuff is so serious
The key with the pads is to use two fingers together on a pad, works a treat for me and Iâve had no problems with applying the right pressure. I guess this wouldnât be a solution if you got fat fingers but Iâm boney enough for it to sort the problem for me.
Making a certain kick drum stand out has a lot more to do with mixing and mastering than it does with any raw sound from any machine out there.
Case in point: When people shell out 3k+ for a vintage 909 and they are sort of underwhelmed by how it sounds out of the box due to the fact they have heard 30 years of hyped up and mixed sounds that have become the blueprint.
is it my imagination or is every conversation about Elektron gear ending up in the same way on these boards.
feels like a few people have been paid to come here and slag it off⌠perhaps from a competitor.
seriouslyâŚif you dont like it that much than just sell it and quit obsessing over it. you can live in peace thenâŚso can the rest of us.
Itâs either that or itâs a side effect of the instant gratification that comes with current internet culture.
See also: internet outrage culture.
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The key with the pads is to use two fingers together on a pad, works a treat for me and Iâve had no problems with applying the right pressure. I guess this wouldnât be a solution if you got fat fingers but Iâm boney enough for it to sort the problem for me.
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This is also what I do. I have medium/large fingers. My bike gloves are size L.
Again, no complaints from me about the pads. I like their stiffness for performance mode work.
The direct jump bug, however, needs to be addressed asap.
Itâs either that or itâs a side effect of the instant gratification that comes with current internet culture.
See also: internet outrage culture.[/quote]
It could be that people who paid the same money that everyone else did are a little upset that the machine doesnât even do what it said it would in the manual? . . . but yes, the threads seem to go the same way. People express their grievances. Fanboys chime in and tell them to âshut the fuck up and sell their machinesâ and the back and forth begins. . . . and continues. Everyone paid the same price for admission. It could all be solved by Elektron if they cared to do so. All of it comes from the same place. We love the machines. We just expect different things from them. Iâm old. So I expect things to work as stated when they arrive. Updates are a bonus. Iâm not paying them to let me beta test it for them while they figure their shit out. When you pay for something and it arrives half baked and you see the company ignore it to focus on some shit software it can be really frustrating. If youâre happy with it, awesome! Low expectations I guess. The rest of their machines always got timely updates so they have âtrainedâ their user base to expect that. So when we got these machines and found the errors we all just sat on them and said" well, the update will fix it". Itâs been a year now. The âupdateâ has not fixed it. We canât return them and would be forced to lose money by selling them second hand. You want to give me what I paid for this machine? Iâd hand it over and âshut the fuck upâ!!! You can buy me out of the conversation at any time. ⌠. but really Elektron can fix this at anytime. Just stop working on that useless piece of software for a bit, focus on the machines for while, then go back to wasting their time on Overbridge.
As for the original post . . .
The pads are a little hard. I canât seem to get any real dynamics going. If they need to be broken in. ⌠. itâll take forever as I just end up having to manually program everything. Plus they are so tiny!! My fat fingers can barely hit just one!! Hah!!
Analog Machines:
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[li]I can get fairly decent kicks. Nothing near what I can get on my Moog Sub 37 or my modular but I can get a decent kick. Nothing 808-ish. [/li]
[li]I donât use the snare much. Canât seem to get what I want out of it. Very much like one of the old Simmons or Tama TechStars. Soft? I tend to use 909 or 707 samples layered in. [/li]
[li]I use the Rimshot and Clap a lot. Theyâre both adequate. [/li]
[li]Got some great toms out of the BT machine the other night but the other toms just sound weak to me. More Tama than Simmons. [/li]
[li]The hats are kinda meh. Depends what youâre needing. I tend to layer with samples here too to get something useable. Being abel to record decay and velocity into the sequencer makes for some dynamic hat patterns which I dig! [/li]
[li]The Ride is ok. [/li]
[li]The cowbell is useless!! [/li]
[li]Iâd really like to see a better featured analog drum sound that is available on all pads. Something akin to Microtonic but better as this machine should be able to smash Microtonic!! [/li]
[li]Sampler - Itâs fine. Basic. I agree in that SRR would be way more useful. The BRR just makes everything turn to noise. Would be nice to be able to sample into it. [/li]
[li]AMP - Cool. The drive pumps up the rather lifeless sounds in some parts of the machine. [/li]
[li]LFO - The inclusion of 1 LFO confounds me. Seems to be the most requested feature. More LFOâs please!! Maybe an extra ADSR would be cool too![/li]
[li]Donât use the internal FX⌠I run everything separate to a board as their internal summing to the stereo outs makes everything sound like mush!![/li]
[li]The sequencer and Pad modes are what makes this machine special. Itâ really the only thing to justify itâs price point versus one of those tiny MFB boxes. [/li]
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This guy really just needs a solid update to fix some stuff and open up the synthesis a bit. The A4 shouldnât be so much better at making drum sounds than your drum machine!!
Would I buy it again? Not as it is right now. Iâll hang onto it as itâs fine to use with samples from practically anything else.
. . . . . but this is all moot as Elektron doesnât really participate in their forum.
Yay Overbridge!!
Itâs ther : inter out age culture.[/quote]
It could be that people who paid money that everyone else
. . . . . but this is all moot as Elektron doesnât really participate in their forum.
Yay Overbridge!! [/quote]
All that eloquence when you coulda just said theyâre cnutsâŚlol
Btw nice post 
Yay something that doesnt work very well
!!. 
Itâs all subjective, thatâs why the back and forth is inevitable and plays out the same, time after time.
You hate the cowbell, I love it (Walken may not)
You can find use for the ride cymbal, I cannot and use samples instead, and I donât mind doing so.
PadsâŚ
BugsâŚ
Interfacing with other equipmentâŚ
We all experience the features, or lack thereof differently.
Itâs totally legitimate to vent about the promised or alluded to features that may have duped you into buying the machine (retrig record, FMBD etc.) or about crippling bugs (step jump).
What the âfanboysâ are jumping on though (well, me, at leastâŚ) is the âI donât like the soundâ stuff.
This is a forum, so free speech and all that, but donât act like elektron wronged you on that one.
You donât like the sound? Then you bought the wrong drum machine.
Suck it up. Sell it and move on, or make do with what you have.
And I, for one, am going to find that âuseless piece of softwareâ pretty useful.
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Itâs ther : inter out age culture.[/quote]
It could be that people who paid money that everyone else
. . . . . but this is all moot as Elektron doesnât really participate in their forum.
Yay Overbridge!! [/quote]
All that eloquence when you coulda just said theyâre cnutsâŚlol
Btw nice post
Yay something that doesnt work very well
!!. [/quote]
Hah! Well, I guess I couldâve but Iâm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. The people that work there are very nice and I sense some frustration on their part as well regarding the resource drain that is Overbridge.
Itâs all very subjective but a bug is a bug and should be dealt with before adding new features or in this case software.
The Step Jump thing is a major fuck up.
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Itâs totally legitimate to vent about the promised or alluded to features that may have duped you into buying the machine (retrig record, FMBD etc.) or about crippling bugs (step jump).
What the âfanboysâ are jumping on though (well, me, at leastâŚ) is the âI donât like the soundâ stuff.
This is a forum, so free speech and all that, but donât act like elektron wronged you on that one.
You donât like the sound? Then you bought the wrong drum machine.
Suck it up. Sell it and move on, or make do with what you have.
And I, for one, am going to find that âuseless piece of softwareâ pretty useful.
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My main problem with Overbridge is that they devoted what little resources they have to building this instead of fixing the machines. They should just charge extra for this and let those who want it pay for it. It may well be very good but I doubt a small company with limited resources will be able to upkeep it so that it remains working with so many different DAWS on so many different OSâ and computers into the future. All of this is another topic though.
As for the âfanboyâ stuff, there seems to be a group of people on here that take it very personal when you air any grievance with an Elektron product. The damn thing could light on fire every time you turn it on and they would still defend it. I donât tend to drink anyoneâs Kool-Aid. If it does something well, I donât have a problem defending it but if it doesnât I have no problem stating that either.
We all want the very best from it.
Fair enough.
Totally with you on the OB resource drain though.
You really get the impression that they bit off a bit more than they can chewâŚ
Hopefully normal service will resume after 1.0
Fair enough.
Totally with you on the OB resource drain though.
You really get the impression that they bit off a bit more than they can chewâŚ
Hopefully normal service will resume after 1.0[/quote]
I surely hope so⌠. . but if it comes out with bugs all hell will break loose on this forum as itâll most likely piss off the rest of the people! Hah!
Itâs all very subjective but a bug is a bug and should be dealt with before adding new features or in this case software.
The Step Jump thing is a major fuck up. [/quote]
I agree on all points. Just stating that not everyone has the same experience, step jump bug included.
The thing that drives you or I mad isnât even on the radar of users not employing poly rhythms and jumping patterns in step jump mode.
I discovered this bug the first day I owned my Rytm. I thought it was defective. My friend, who has owned one for a year never encountered it.
Itâs all very subjective but a bug is a bug and should be dealt with before adding new features or in this case software.
The Step Jump thing is a major fuck up. [/quote]
I agree on all points. Just stating that not everyone has the same experience, step jump bug included.
The thing that drives you or I mad isnât even on the radar of users not employing poly rhythms and jumping patterns in step jump mode.
I discovered this bug the first day I owned my Rytm. I thought it was defective. My friend, who has owned one for a year never encountered it.[/quote]
I agree as well⌠seems like that bug should have been fixed alreadyâŚ
Also adding that not every bug is an easy fix. Sometimes it gets very complicated because fixing one thing is connected elsewhere and causes other problems.
Itâs either that or itâs a side effect of the instant gratification that comes with current internet culture.
See also: internet outrage culture.[/quote]
igoogled âŚprobably will be in the DSM in the near future.