Hydrasynth from ASM

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Thanks Glen, that sounds very promising!

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Thanks !
« Basic » CCs as well ?

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Please yes, please have basic CC’s there aswel, as currently very few sequencers deal properly with NRPN’s, stupid but true
 @GDarcey?

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CC’s can be set up to be sent and received from any modulation source in the matrix. But general controls cannot be CC’s because there are only 128 cc’s total and they are only 7 bit. In my testing so far, Logic and Live both record and playback NRPN’s properly.
I’m pretty sure Digital Performer and Cubase do as well. I have not tested Reaper, Bitwig, Sonar, Reason or Studio One yet.

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To me, using Ableton Live, it’s just a matter of being able to quickly draw parameter automations. NRPN are useable, there is a nice m4l device for this, but it’s not as direct and fun to use in my opinion. Also, it’s easier when you want to use an midi controller.

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@GDarcey I salute you for raising the bar and use high res MIDI. But it will place Hydrasynth mainly in studios with DAWs, no groovebox will currently be able to really steer it, I think. Would an extra CC option for at least the eight macro’s be a possibility?

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Not to be able to contol it from an octatrack would be a deal breaker for me.

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It should be controllable from Octatrack.

I get some people are disappointed about not being able to send MIDI CC to macros. But realistically, if I’m sequencing from Octatrack, I can live with sequencing filter cutoff by direct MIDI CC mapping instead of having to go through a macro.

Not every synth has “macros” like the ASM. If you’ve sequenced other hardware with basic MIDI CC to params on say a Volca FM, which has no macros from what I can tell, you should be able to sequence this ASM via MIDI CC just fine.

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The point is to sequence Macros, which are more than simply a cutoff or whatever parameter.
From what I understand, it’s a set of destinations with different min/max and amount.
Or am I tripping ??

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In the latest Sonic Talk #593 (at 18:20 in, and then again at 26:45) Yoad Nevo GASes for a Hydrasynth. He’s got it bad – it’s funny. He’s thinking about using the new Novation Launchpad X with it, and also perhaps to replace his Sequential Circuits Rev 2.

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By the way, why is it so difficult to find ASM website on Goggle ??

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search “ashun sound” – it’s the top ink. “ASM” or “Ashun” is too vague, and there are a million links. I bookmarked it – so it’s a click away. There’s a link at the top of this thread too.

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From what i understand, a Macro just lets you assign more than one synth parameter to one of the 8 physical knobs on the synth.

Let’s say for one preset, one Macro is set up to control 4 synth parameters. My preference would be to control those 4 parameters by 4 MIDI CCs from my Octatrack, rather than send one MIDI CC to one Macro. If you would rather send one MIDI CC to control one Macro, that’s fine by me - as I respect your preference.

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As an aside Korg Volca FM supports over 15 MIDI CCs. If Korg magically added some kind of MIDI Macro, I would still rather send 6 MIDI CCs to control the 6 params I want from my sequencer or MIDI controller.

Why? Because what if the Macro is set up in such a way that the filter and envelopes behave differently than what I want? I get a lot more control just to send individual MIDI CCs for filter cutoff, filter Q, envelope attack, etc. Otherwise I’d have to spend extra time deconstructing the Macro and reprogramming it, which to me sounds like a waste of time.

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You can also control all 4 with one MIDI CC if you want through the mod-matrix (use MIDI-CC as source) as i wrote earlier as long as the destination is supported in the mod-matrix.

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Good point about the mod matrix.

I think the Macro feature is just for those 8 physical knobs. They’re definitely nice-to-haves but lack of MIDI CC to knob mapping should not be an impediment to sequencing, considering the above point that you made.

I sort of get why some people started to think there’s no MIDI CC support - it’s like the game in which you and your friends sit in a circle and whisper something to each other. But the ASM page says this, for those of you who missed or skipped Jukka’s posts.

MODULATION MATRIX

The modulation capabilities on the Hydrasynth are endless.

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With 32 user definable modulation routings, you will have plenty of ways to use the 29 modulation sources and 155

modulation destinations.

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Almost everything in the synth engine can be a modulation destination including the effects and arpeggiator.

The Modulation matrix points themselves can also become modulation destinations.

Modulation sources & destinations include the CV Mod In & Out jacks as well as MIDI CC’s.

Looking forward to reports about MIDI sequencing this synth in the field, which should address a lot of questions and worries.

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You sure you heard all the demos? I heard some percussive stuff on the official SC page.

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Here end the dream for me. I will save money :frowning:

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Modulation sources & destinations include the CV Mod In & Out jacks as well as MIDI CC ’s.
I will wait for users feedback before being desesperate :slight_smile:

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What about future proofing it with midi 2.0 if possible? I know it’s not released or certified as a standard yet but it’s gotta be close enough for procuring the necessary hardware to be installed and offer the code as an upgrade or update at a later time.

I’m just asking.

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From the manual :

" If you haven’t tried out the Macro controls yet, press the [HOME] button to jump to the Home page. That’s where the action is: the Control knobs and buttons are supercharged on this page, sort of like the pedals on steroids. Each Control knob is paired with a Control button to a ect up to 8 parameters at once: The knobs sweep parameter values and the buttons (toggle, trigger,

or reset them; see Master: Page 2 (p. 85)). Modulation levels can be positive or negative, so a Macro can reduce values, increase them, or do both at the same time."

So I guess I got it right the first time. It’s up to 8 destinations, with different min/max values. This is extremely powerful and I expect them to be more than enough as performance control. As far as I understand, it’s exactly the same as in Ableton Live’s rack macros, if you know what I’m talking about.

It’s absolutely awesome and I once again express my deep wish of having them mappable to CCs.

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