Forum anonymity

i don’t get the point of the discussion on this forum.
someone believes that there’s too much freedom of hate speech here?
or should this forum follow the EU trends and regularly forbid & restrict something?

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Most countries don’t have a legal definition of hate speech, and rightly so. This is mainly because it is so open to interpretation. It is pretty much impossible to write a law covering hate speech. What is hate? Who is to decide what is hate speech and what is not? Some gigantic tech companies with obvious political bias and goals?

Online its in the hands of a small (very biased) group of giant tech companies already though. Right now they already filter out certain search results/views not because it’s not relevant but because it doesn’t fit their political viewpoints. Like Google/YT/Twitter manually curating trends. If a video on YT with a message that goes against YT politics is trending it will be removed.

All in all it is very bad to only give people what they want to hear, that what confirms their believes rather than things that challenge those believes. It’s not in their interest to do so. You need to keep clicking and generating data. Not become a critical individual the steps outside the bubble of groupthink that makes up their own mind.

Anyways, I’m rambling. These are strange times where misgendering someone can cost you your job but where it’s ok to be bigoted towards others if you can base the bigotry in religion. Then it’s ok to be a bigot. Logic has gone.

Not one person here has stated that they condone “hate speech”, nor has anyone claimed there is a hate problem here, the OP however asked about the concept of ridding ourselves of anonymity. A number of us see that as problematic because that leads to censorship or much worse. Some feel that freedom of speech and anonymity are both human rights and believe that community standards should be the arbiter of decency, not some central authority.

This discussion can probably remain productive if everyone agrees to leave politics out of it.

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It’s really not that hard to use peoples’ preferred pronouns. If you’re repeatedly and intentionally misgendering a colleague or student then you deserve to be sacked.

If not always right.
This short essay was nice read - https://bigthink.com/the-paradox-of-tolerance

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Meanwhile in the UK, buying hand tools is a suspicious activity that could lead to a terrorism investigation against you. :joy:

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Rarely has the saying “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”, been more fitting, than in regard to this subject.

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Whats this thread about?

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It’s nice to see a moderator actually taking part in the discussion and reasoning with the apparent offenders. In public no less, perhaps the thread is back on track! :slight_smile:

But I’d say a degree of anonymity in this case can allow us, as functioning members of a community to test some limits and explore a little more than we might otherwise do in real life.
The good bit of wearing a mask.

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Maybe anonymity is not bad thing at all, in a sense if i read something, and i do not know personal history of the writer, like age or gender, edjucation or anything like it at all, than i am left just with this one information embedded in the sentence, and maybe my understanding of what is person trying to say is clearer than it would be otherwise.
Like in a way not knowing or having the concept of that particular person is leting us actually to get closer to the content of the message.

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Thank you - I hadn’t thought of that. Good point.

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Hey! Look at that!

I just need to reiterate this point, because there’s always some alignment of the planets that causes these bizarre notions of getting into these really serious discussions on this forum.

There is a wide assortment of varying viewpoints from the people on this forum. Some of them I’m sure wildly disagree with my view of the world, while I too disagree with them as well. On another website, arguing with them would be a dandy activity.

The community cohesion that’s commonly found on this forum comes from the agreement that we all share- that making music/sounds is fun. Our ability to orbit around this premise in our discussions is what makes this forum so much fun to peruse. Things that are brought in this forum like this and the other wildfire discussions is like tracking mud into the house.

Things like the OP, with all due respect, are wildly out of place in this forum and, I believe, should be discussed elsewhere.

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There are other practical considerations as well, IMHO. People enjoy sharing photos of their studio/workspace. Assuming one uses their real name, and includes photos and has talked about their physical location in the past or forget to scrub EXIF, they may well become a target for thieves. I don’t mention this as a hypothetical either, I’ve seen thieves target people on other forums and in some cases people have lost much of what they’ve worked for over the course of many years.

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I said already that you might be right, and if mods desire so and close it I’ll be fine with it. I have learned lot more than i hoped for, and had great read ( “the privete eye” ).

Yeah, I know we’ve communicated. But since that original comment of mine this have gotten deeper into the mud, so I wanted to recommunicate it to the other people in the thread

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I disagree with you. Why shouldn’t we discuss important things here? No-one is getting hurt, at least not in any lasting way, and maybe we all learn something important from one another.

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"Nauts"

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Elektronauts is a niche community compared to the rest of the world, so I suppose the counter to that is: why SHOULD you discuss it in Elektronauts? How do you think “I think these are the villains of the world” and then determine “I’m going to go on an elektronic music forum to discuss it”?

There are these deep discussions/arguments EVERYWHERE on the internet- and maybe there are people, other than myself, that would like to be able to escape that and take solace in gear/art/techniches? Why can’t this be a cohesive community focused on something we all enjoy instead of a place for us to duke out our views, especially when that is, again, available everywhere else in the internet?

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I say this with a smile, so please don’t put too much into it, but you remind me of the classic ‘why can’t we all just get along’ remark from grandmother, if the discussion touches upon anything with a little weight at a family dinner.

Why don’t you just avoid the topics you don’t like? I think it makes a lot of sense to discuss the heavier subjects here, BECAUSE it is such a nice place, with nice thoughtful people, who are able to, for the most part, keep it civil.

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That doesn’t change the fact that this is an electronic music forum. The essence/purpose of this forum is explicitly not that.

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