Finally, the perfect mixer? [Allen & Heath QuPac]

I love my AU pac, best mixer ever for my use.

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Hello all of QuPac users.
I have a question. I donā€™t have computer, in that the QuPac offers me lot of help. But thereā€™s one thing I didnā€™t think before i bought it, itā€™s the fact that when/if I record in multitrack, I cannot listen to it and iā€™m in a kind of impossibility to edit my multitrack records. So is there a hardware solution to my problem ?
Must I sell my QuPac and buy another gear that permit multitrack record and arrangement, a kind of portable studio ?
I find that only use the Qupac for stereo record is a bit limited for such powerfull gear and doesā€™nt permit mixing/arrangement.
I thought it was my hardware studio solution but now feel desapointed.
Any suggestion ?

  1. You can record multitrack, even without computer, up to 16 stereo track + master on a hdd or a USB key
  2. You can launch a wav track while youā€™re playing, if you need to overdub

For further editing though, I guess nothing beats a good old computerā€¦

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Thanks for reply

Yes, thatā€™s what I do, less and less cause I canā€™t even listen to them !

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2. You can launch a wav track while youā€™re playing, if you need to overdub
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Yes, I know, but have few use of that.

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For further editing though, I guess nothing beats a good old computerā€¦
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Thatā€™s the worst knews. I hoped so muchā€¦
Oh, poor of the ones that donā€™t want to use computer.

I think I just have to sell my QuPac and buy a little zoom.
I must try to do my best and make the right stereo record. ƀ lā€™ancienne, back in the time when the musicians play and the record was made in few takes.
Maybe itā€™s my research for this year.
Selling QuPac will maybe permit other gear to get in my studio.
I must think about it before fired the A&H

I am not sure I understand your issue. It is fundamentally a live mixing desk with the possibility to record either stereo outs, or multitrack (typically pre fader, fx etc) to mix in a daw. But I guess you could in a second step also remix the multitrack recording (recorded on an external USB harddrive) within the Qu Pac and record the final stereo track. No computer needed for this, I think.

Thanks for your input.
Maybe iā€™ve miss something, but as far as I can read multitrack from my USB key in Qu drive, I cannot (or maybe ignore how to) record it (the multitrack session) in stereo or affect the muktitracks with fx or further eq.
I would like to be wrong

Hi, I never actually tried this, but according to the manual (p. 54) you should be able patch the tracks of the multitrack recording to the input channels, and then process, etc. For recording the main stereo outs, you would then probably need an external recorder, though. I think it can only play back and record at the same time with a computer on the rear USB portā€¦

Thanks for your thought.
Yes, you are right, I can use the Qupac like a live instrument and record it in an external stereo recorder. That is a solution I had not think about.
Youā€™re right again when you said it can be process during the reading of the multitrack, I can eq and compress (I really have miss something). I must chek if I can play with the fx too (during reading).
Then it became another step of my studio work. Process the multitrack in direct while recording in an external device.
You gave me new perspectives, thanks a lot.
I return to my QuPac and work this way.
Maybe with groups and such things I could have nice tools to use differently my records.

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It looks like you can trigger snapshot recollection with midi notes, which has me wondering:

  1. How fast is the switching?
  2. Are there any pops or fades on switching?

I have a couple Akai MB76ā€™s that Iā€™ve been using, but they:

  1. emit pops on switches.
  2. are unbalanced and noisy.
  3. have pretty poor resolution over gain control.

EDIT: The jumping VU meters in this video seems to indicate there are indeed pops on snapshot switching. Hmm.

Hi everyone,

Iā€™m looking at buying the QuPac. One question I have though: I have seen itā€™s possible to control the Qu-Pac from an Octatrack using a Midi USB host (for example to auto switch scenes). What Iā€™m wondering though: if I do that, will I lose the ability to multitrack record to a drive, since Iā€™ll be using the USB slot for MIDI control? Or are there alternatives to this?

Also, is this still the perfect mixer 5 years later? Iā€™m comparing everything I can find online, but Iā€™m not finding much that competes with the portability, scene recall, multitrack recording and decent effects of this unit.

Bomebox supports the Qu tcp/ip protocol which should allow you to use the network port to control Qu.

The USB recording on Qu itself is however using the usb port on the front and connects to a thumb drive. Thatā€™s separate from the port on the back that connects to a USB host (such as a computer or a MIDI host interface (which Bomebox is also capable of).

Afaik, USB multitrack recording on USB key or external hard drive via the USB port on the front (A&H call this ā€œQu-Driveā€) is independent from Midi control over USB, but I have never tried this out.

Regarding useability, I originally bought the Qu Pac for my synths, but I ultimately missed the possibility to touch faders and knobs. If you consider any mixer-based live action, you need also an Ipad running the app (and a wifi router). In the meantime I streamlined my setup a bit and went to using a DJ mixer. The Qu-Pac still serves our seven-piece live band; sound and routing capabilities are excellent, and portability is unbeatable. (I have mine in a small rack case.)

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Thanks for the answers!

This is great news. So many possibilities. Itā€™s crazy. Thanks also for namedropping the BomeBox that looks like a great little tool.

Thanks for sharing your experience with this gear. Iā€™m also a little bit on the fence whether I should use a DJ mixer or the Qu-Pac. Can I ask what DJ mixer you are using?

I have a Sequential Pro3, Novation Peak, A4 , Octatrack and AH. With this setup Iā€™m just on the verge of fitting or not fitting in a 4 track DJ mixer. For example, if I want to split the outputs of my Octatrack into Cue for bass drum and normal output for everything else, 4 tracks would just barely not be enough. I also definitely donā€™t want my setup to grow anymore complicated. I think 4 synths is kind of the max I can handle mentally.

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I was lucky to find a very reasonably priced, used Model 1 mixer. It has 6 stereo channels, which I use for AR kick, AR main out, A4, OT, OT cue, and Micromonsta 2. It has 3 stereo sends and 2 stereo returns. It is fully analog with great sound, aimed at live mixing; it doesnā€™t have a soundcard or allow for any kind of multitrack recording, though.

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which channels shall I select as monitoring in Traktor or other dj software to pre-listen in headphones what is played in another deck, if I use Qu-Pac as USB sound interface?

Whoa! Thatā€™s such a good idea to store the router and whatnot in the back case lid!

Thanks for showing that

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Thanks! Itā€™s a cheap Thomann case. It is important to choose a model with reduced depth to keep the rear connectors easily reachable. The lid holds the power cable, router + cables, external hard drive for usb multi-track recording, usb key, and a mixer lamp.

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iā€™ve got the case alreadyā€¦ had it for years now, but i never thought to strap the stuff in the lid! iā€™ve been carrying a second bag around like a chump for too long! =)

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Hello,
Iā€™m struggling to put my QPac in an efficient way in my studio.
I find your idea really brillant. Thanks for your explanations.
Have you keep your project or did you improve it ?
Curious to see other solutions of physical integration of QPac in the studio.
If others can show their solution, would be appreciate.