I already got in touch with Erica Synths about these ideas, and their answer was basically “not convinced” or “not planned.” They also mentioned I can use external midi as a workaround, which for me misses the point.
The reason I’m posting this here is because sometimes companies do read these forums, and seeing more people interested in certain features can actually sway future updates or products. So, it’s not just wishful thinking—I’m hoping to add a bit of momentum to this wishlist.
Yup. I just caved and ordered Echolocator from Synthcube. Their 20% off sale for Father’s Day was too much to resist. And hey, I’m a father so I deserve it, right?
Thank you @viroxys for the critical feedback on this unit. I’ve posted a detailed evaluation across other forums acknowledging some of its weaknesses and room for improvement, a filter cutoff modulation option being one of them but it seems as though most users who have copped it so far are pretty happy with it and have no critical feedback to offer.
Overall, the EL is an amazing fx unit but I very much feel it has way more potential than what has been shipped from factory, especially at its price tag. I think its important that people are critical so the manufactures have a motive to keep improving their existing products rather than just continually pumping out new devices. Squarp is a great example of this, my Hapax feels like a new device every year with all the work they put into their firmware updates…
Now the Echolator is sitting next to me, and somehow the spark just hasn’t jumped yet.
Not a single preset does anything to my sounds that I like.
And even when I fiddle with the knobs, nothing pleasing happens.
I’ll test it for a few more days—we still need a few more hours together. But I just haven’t found any sweet spots yet.
However, the build quality is fantastic.
For what it’s worth I found the presets not great either and pretty much instantly just deleted the presets. From there I have 1 init preset that I created and I just jump from there and edit parameters real time. Loads of fun and sounds great.
This device looks fun, but am I right in thinking it has a good dry/wet mix, but it doesn’t have a “send” knob?
It’s send that makes for the fun dub sound: you flip a knob or fader up, the sound is sent into the delay for a few seconds, then you pull it down, and the decays ring out with no more sound being sent to the delay, but the raw sound still playing.
That’s a real problem for these standalone devices. I want the device to be in series, for convenience; I don’t want to have to have it on Send on a desk.
Am I wrong, and send functionality is hidden in here somehow?
From my understanding this typically works by having the effect fully wet and cranking the send knob or having the send knob already applied and jumping the fader up and down.
You also need an aux send that’s post fader to get that effect otherwise it’ll still get sent to the delay after turning the fader down on the mixer
My point is that these kinds of devices are commonly used without a desk, just in a linear stereo signal chain.
So it’s a bit surprising, and disappointing, that they don’t have the facility to do this onboard, without a desk, given that it’s a very common way to use specifically a delay effect.
I think it’s interesting that the standalone delay boxes tend not to have that feature, even tho this kind of fun dub sound is one of the key things they’re being sold for.
It’s not an impossible UI ask by any means tho.
The op1f delay has it, with only four knobs (they call it “input” and it’s great fun).
EXACTLY. You can buy a cheap little mixer and use that as one aux send. I use the Bastle Bestie but there are much cheaper alternative. But indeed - it’s a design oversight that approaches flaw in my opinion.
The point is that they don’t, but they are marketed for both a dub sound that requires a mixer and routing etc and as a serial inline device. The point is that adding such a functionality is trivial.
