And therein lies the rub with workflow. It is purely subjective.
That which is a problematic interruption of creative flow for some is of no importance to others.
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Again, and not to belabor the point, but thatâs subjective. And reduces the point a bit, because weâre not just talking about changing one sound at a time (because since we can tweak multiple sounds in a short amount of time, we do!), so this is really about the Kit. Not the single sound or sample.
To me and within my own subjective reality, theyâre not on par. Not when it comes to workflow and time spent working to accomplish the same result.
Once the Kit is created, which takes little more time on other Elektrons than on DT , on A4/AK/A4 YES+Kit saves my kit. I do it all the time. Not hard to remember. It takes a fraction of one second to do and I can do it with one hand. No matter what pattern I am in, that shared kit is saved effortlessly.
On the other hand, copying and pasting multiple sounds⌠but individually, out of one pattern and into multiple other patterns is not something that has been necessary for Kit organization when working with more than a single pattern on a tune. Not with any Elektron before DT. For many Elektron users who depend on Kit organization across multiple patterns, this is a convoluted.
The previous implementation of Kits managed this all in a way that actually simplified it.
So now, the new âsimplifiedâ scheme, is only simplified for some, and made convoluted for others.
Because we all have different needs and workflows.
Now, letâs get back to the point of this threadâŚ
- The new âsimplifiedâ kit structure (1 pattern = 1 kit)
- The old âelegantâ kit structure (multiple patterns can share a kit).
Surely there is some middle ground to make everyone happy, and being able to paste a copied kit would be a giant step in that direction.
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This ^^^ +1
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The kit concept just gives more options. You can still have one kit per pattern just like the DT, but you donât have to. You get to choose whether some of your patterns update their sounds as a group or which ones always are on their own.
Itâs really great when you have a progression of several patterns and you want to go bananas tweaking them and maintain continuity while these tweaks may be completely inspired by the moment with no way to plan ahead. The DT can not do this. I perform live improv jamming and without it anytime I come up with something cool in the moment, Iâll lose it on pattern change⌠For OT itâs parts that serve this function.
Doesnât mean you canât make some amazing music the way DT is, but kits are just a nice flexible option to have for most and extremely useful for manyâŚ
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I donât know if my question fits in this thread but here goes. i created a new project lets say A loaded up 127 samples in project A then i went to create an project B unload the samples in ram in project B and added different 127 samples to project B but when i switched to project A the samples i used were missing⌠im doing something wrong here but dont know whatâŚor maybe i didnt save project A proper.
Can you switch between and combine different kits and patterns on the fly? So if Kit A is playing a pattern you can obviously move between patterns within Kit A, but can you also play Kit B with its patterns at the same time - so you can have the combination of patterns from Kit A and patterns from Kit B? If not, then can you seamlessly switch from patterns of Kit A to patterns of Kit B?
after all these years i just realised how awesome Parts are (were) on the OT.
it would be cool if there was a âclassicâ mode on the Digitakt similar to the Machinedrum⌠change Pattern but the Kit doesnât change to the specified kit of the next Pattern, just remains the same.
I would like to be able to save/load kitâs to/from the +Drive and having a Kit Browser, and a Kit Manager.
This was something I really would have liked on the Analog Rytm and now with the Digitakt itâs perhaps even more useful; Kits/patterns are glued together and the midi tracks contains specific CC settings for external gear. (Reading midi implementation charts isnât all that fun.)
This doesnât replace copy/paste kits or other suggestions in this thread.
I came up with something I think would work for me, which Iâve mentioned in the feature requests thread. Simply:
All it needs it a performance mode or key combination when changing patterns which says âchange the patterns only, keep the existing soundsâŚâ
If you wanted to use the reload kit to call up those originally stored with the pattern later that would still work, but during performance you could choose to change to a new pattern complete with all the stored sounds, or just to switch sequencer pattern for notes / trigs.
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This wouldnât just work for performance, it would also speed everything up when initially composing tracks: rather than a âcopy kitâ command (or perhaps in addition to it) you could select the pattern whose kit you want to copy, hit the âchange to pattern X but keep the current kitâ button combo to switch to the pattern whose kit you want to update, then save the kit in its new location. Or, as you say, reload the existing kit in the second pattern if you donât like how the newly-transferred one sounds.
I suspect a system of kit browsing & management is unlikely: part of the plan with Digitakt is clearly to simplify the workflow wherever possible. As someone whoâs coming to Elektron gear for the first time, that lack of additional complexity is a big part of its appeal (along with the cost, which may also work against complicating the software too much).
Something which allows me to copy kits with one or two button presses (whether composing or playing live) while still keeping that simplified workflow would be perfect. Really hope Elektron are able to find a way to make this work.
Now I think the kit per pattern is deliberating. To be able to tailor every pattern exactly how you want, without worrying about kits is what Iâm finding deliberating.
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yea!
I keep thinking about some way to link patterns so they share a kit - and it would certainly be useful if you want to have a multi-pattern sequence and you wanna tweak sounds across them - but yeah, if you think it through, the most flexible way then would be to store kits outside of patterns and have patterns point to them, aka the usual Elektron kit system.
you could have a parent pattern, where other patterns could point to, to use its kit. Could work, but what happens if you tweak that kit in a child pattern and save it? Does it save the parent patternâs kit? Itâs the same as with the more complex kit system, if you go back to the parent pattern it might not sound how you want it, and thereâs no way back. Or, you cannot save the parent patternâs kit inside a child pattern? So then if you want to save something, you have to find and go back to the parent pattern, and save thereâŚ? Or, if you save inside the child pattern, it then makes a copy of the parent patternâs kit, and saves it with the child pattern? I dunno⌠can end up being just as messy as the kit system, but worse. It would always put the burden back to the user to remember pattern/kit relations.
Not saying it canât be done ina good way, but if the main goal is to reduce complexity⌠there, we have that.
Also, reiterating the obvious⌠thanks to trig conditions itâs far easier now to make something interesting within a single patternâŚ
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Yep, I thought much the same. Just a single parameter that says âuse kit from XX patternâ
Then it would simply save that kit with that pattern and reset the link to the parent pattern.
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Hey guys. Is there a key command for copy/pasting a SOUND?
Thanks!
yea: hold TRK, press REC/STOP
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Maybe for long term (ie DT and following on to further boxes) Elektron will see it worth the coding hassle to encorporate having both new/old Kit systems available as a setting in options. Seems the obvious/only real fix for both preferences/types of user. If DT users find DT a gateway in to other Elektron theyâll probably kick up a similar fuss if/when they buy a box that works the other way⌠Just going to be a vicious circle of complaints unless both options eventually become available in the same OS. Wouldnât hold my breath thoâŚ
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Hmm - for me, with REC off, it just turns rec (trig view) on, and with REC on, it places one trig.
EDIT: Sorry! You were absolutely right, and I didnât remember the Digitakt has a separate TRK button 
Thanks! You live and you learn. for others: press the actual TRK button, not a trig. Although thatâs obvious if youâre a bit more attentive than I wasâŚ
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entered this topic, hoping for usefull information on the Digitakt Kit StructureâŚ
left it beeing more confused then before
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Weâre more talking about the difference between the Rytm and DT kit structure, which will definitely confuse more if you donât have a rytm or A4 and just want to learn about how DT is setup⌠
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thats what i figured, after reading 70+ posts and being âwtf ?!â 
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