Wondering if this was boosted higher? I’ve got the DT II on preorder, so can’t test yet. I haven’t run into the limit on DT I but with 128-setp length patterns and many more PLOCK options, if the limit is low, I can see myself running into it. I think it’s 128 per pattern for DT I?
Up to 80 different parameters can be locked in a pattern.
vs
Up to 72 different parameters can be locked in a pattern.
That doesn’t relate per se (in my understanding) to the Limit - the limit pertains to uniquely targeted parameters, not how often you target a single parameter (or whether there’s more room in a pattern)
TBH, i don’t hit the limits, so i don’t fret over this detail
Thank you, fixed - meant 128-step pattern length
sure, i read it as 128 step pattern, i thought you may have figured there was more scope to overdo locks because the pattern is longer, but it’s dictated by the total selection of individual parameters you target … so you can lock filter-freq 128 times and still only use up 1 lock slot, maybe that wasn’t your concern …
Ahh - that makes sense! So a lock is a parameter that is locked, but that parameter can be locked as many times as the steps you have (so goes up from 64 to 128)? So based on 80, I can have up to 80 different parameters that I lock.
lots of detail in this topic (below) which is relevant - the post where i show trig page locks reveals that most of those are free - but yes, a 128 step sequence with a particular lock varied on all steps will count as one
the REAL foe in your equation is actually the increased Track count; if you lock Filt-Freq on 128steps of 1 track it’s One lock of your limit spent, but …
If you lock Filt-Freq on only one trig on 16 tracks of any length, that’s Sixteen locks spent already !
Hmm
DTII 80/16tracks=5 per track
DT 72/8tracks=9 per track
I guess for most people most of the time it will be plenty, and of course there will likely be tracks where no or few locks are used, still I wonder if the number is subject to change in the future, I guess I could see some styles of music hitting the limit.
it’s per pattern though, not per track
…hmmmm…let me think…can i remember me, ever running out of plocking headroom on any elektron device…?..no, not that i could remember…but that’s just me…
I used to run a lot into p-lock limit before I understood how they work, actually on rytm it happened a lot more often because the fx track p-locks are part of the pattern and I’d fill up the 72 pretty quickly, but after I learned how it worked I hardly ever run into this again, 80 p-locks without fx track is a lot, no need to worry too much
Yes I know, I was just saying that 80 locks per pattern, assuming they were divided equally would be 5 per track
Is it true that the OT has no limit on p-locks?
Unlikely. Everything has a limit
I ran into the lock limit a few times on the DT1 when making complex transitions.
On the DN I ran into it a lot because I was trying to do a lot of midi locks in addition to the normal synth locks.
I’m surprised more people don’t reach the limit, but maybe it only comes into play when you’re controlling midi devices too. Also I used a lot of sound locks on the DN to make the most out of it (kick, snare, HH on one track for example).
edit: if you care, this what filled up the DN’s lock memory. There was one midi channel sending info to a max patch for the visuals.
DT1 has 16 tracks too
Yeah, the point (for those who actually are affected by this) - it’s nearly the same limit as the DT but with twice as many tracks to accommodate - it just seems odd considering the system-wide updates. No idea if it’s limited that way for an important reason or if potentially more resources could be allocated to it in a future update.
Not everybody hit the limit on DT1 or care about this, but some of us did and do, and I’m sure plenty people miss never having to worry about it at all on the octatrack.
Maybe you could try to see it from a different perspective. Look at all the possibilities and don’t focus on the one spec you perceive as a limit. With all the upgrades to the DT2, I would argue that it’s even harder to run out of lockable parameters if you’re making use of the new features. There’s a third LFO per track now, there’s velocity and other macros, there’s more audio tracks which can be used (meaning you don’t have to rely on parameter locks to make it seem like more tracks/sounds are playing), etc.
Imo, this all makes parameter locks less necessary to be relied on than before. And if you do ever run out, there’s stereo resampling with upgraded RAM and storage space, so you can easily free up some locked parameters.
Btw, what I didn’t see you mention is that there’s now even more parameters to lock, as the DT2 received some new pages (e.g. for retrigs). So if I were to worry about reaching the limit, this would be the main reason why.
But I’ve never reached the limit on any of the elektrons I’ve had over the years (DT, DN, OT, and briefly ST), so I wouldn’t worry about it. I’d rather see reaching the limit as a hint that I overdid it and probably created a jumbled mess
I know this “dead horse” is now beaten into a fine paste… but….
80 unique params is a lot. It’s not 80 p-locks, it’s 80 unique params with any number of p-locks. For example if you use filter freq and p-lock it on all 128 trigs on all 16 tracks, you have 79 params left.
Edit: This isn’t right! That’s how I thought it worked, but there’s more to it. The manual should be updated to be more clear on this topic.