It’s really not a genre I’ve ever been good at making (just love listening).
How would the OT fair a a jungle machine?
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How can you doubt about that ? Of course it can. This musical genre seems not difficult to reproduce.
You can even produce breakcore ala Venetian Snare, wich is a more difficult style to achieve.
But, where you are right, it’s that those musical genre a more easily make on DAW with tools like Renoise than on sequencer like Elektron ones.
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Yes. The only limitation I can think of is that you can’t transpose samples as far as on some older samplers and trackers.
However, chopping loops and especially interesting breaks using the crossfader would be much easier.
For sure it can, and for the pitching you’ve got the rate as well as pitch let’s not forget, if you need it more controlled simply re sample pitched sections to new tracks, pitch again, link, chop, slice and dice.
Plus you’ve got insane timing on offer with the grid, perhaps with this in mind it makes it even easier to conceive
That famous “blah blah megabreak of doom” thread floating around here somewhere on the forum should give you a quick view on how far can you go with mashing up breaks. Aaand this is only scratching the surface.
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I never doubted it could do it it’s just not something I’ve ever been able to do well. Always seems one of those styles that people say are easy but when you try just sounds shit. Brwakcore I can do in a DAW but on the OT I never get anywhere.
I’ll try the break of doom.
More practical examples please peeps. Thanks for replying!
I’m not a jungle aficionado but here’s some thoughts:
- Use the lo-fi machine and EQ to dial in the tone to match crunchy old jungle production
- Modulate slice # of breaks with LFOs - lock the amount so some steps are more predictable than others
- Lock/modulate RTIM (and/or LEN when set to # slices) to get some nice rolling action
- Use custom LFOs for more precise RTIM/LEN modulation (i.e. whole numbers of sequencer steps)
- Resample into a track recorder or delay for a new set of parameters on top of the previous
- Slow down the sequencer speed to 1/4 or 1/8 and use microtiming to place your trigs so you have longer pattern lengths to play with, and rely on the aforementioned modulation for variation
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that is GREAT work!
Every Sampler should be able to do so.
However the breaks were chopped differently to how it is done today. No single cuts with midi file, several pieces with one, two, three etc drum hits from the beginning missing instead so slices start on bass drum, hi hat, snaredrum etc and keep playing until released.
you build a key group so you can trigger the different pieces an give different lengths. the whole key group gets pitched up so the full loop loops correctly.
Then you can start redoing the loop. Use different loops, keeping some legato some not.
Key is the right material in terms of samples and proper EQ’ing.
Once you start adding processed single hits you go from Jungle to Drum & Bass 
I totally disagree that this is a genre easy to reproduce. As soon as you leave out amens things can get quite tricky compared to trechno, house, minimal etc beats.
It’s possible of course, but really nailing it soundwise would be quite difficult IMO. The OT has a very neutral sound to it, old school samplers often had a specific sound to them and as jungle was made almost exclusively with samplers, the sonic qualities those old samplers impart was a huge part of the what the end product sounded like.
I’ve made some jungle/drum&bass with the OT and it sounded too clean and precise to my taste, even with loads of FX.
This is it. A lot of people hear it and think it’s super easy but it really isn’t. Thanks for the pointers. Trying to wrap my head around it but exactly the kind of response I was after. Thank you.
Barfunkel, I’m gonna grab an old Akai S1000 (not for jungle just for playing around with as they are cheap as) so maybe I can finally hear with my own ears.
Don’t spend money on an old akai…
Most old samplers work with SCSI. I don’t know if there is still a way to get hd’s or controllers and no computer has floppy disks anymore. I would not recommend to transfer samples as sysex dump.
The akai s1000 was the machine to make jungle with however compared to the older samplers (akai, ensoniq etc) it had a good and cleaned sound due to 44100 Hz and 16 bit.
most of the grit and dirt comes from the breaks as this are mostly old funk loops including lots of background noinse in terms of reverb, spoken words, instruments just hitting in etc. if you look for loops like the winstons amen brother, lynn collins think, incredible bongo band apache etc you will get the sound you are looking after regardless of the hardware.
subs are very often pitched 808 hits (overdriven on a mixer) or fm bass from machines like tx 81 z.
Old Aphrodite stuff is excellent work in this genre without all the ragga samples.
The link you posted isn’t classical jungle by the way. there were producers doing way much calm and relaxed sound. Some were calling this progressive, ambient or intelligent (listen lt. bukem logical progression).
Jungle was more this kind of sound:
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A modern, cheap solution is a Korg Volca Sample (shame they can’t sample though, you gotta transfer the samples via an app). Those things sound a lot like old samplers, there’s this sort of smoothness and richness to their sound.
What lots of people (incl. many plug in creators) don’t realize is that those old samplers weren’t intentionally lofi. They are very hifi, they just use old technology. The OT’s Lofi Collection sounds nothing like something like an Akai S950 or an Emu SP1200 sounds, the OT’s FX are just nasty digital distortion.
I grew up on old jumpin jack frost and Ellis Dee cassettes. I think I still have a origin unknown white label somewhere. There are SD card drives that emulate a floppy for that sort of stuff. I don’t care about saving stuff with the sampler though. Just like my modular, once you finish with a sound its gone forever, not really problem for what I am thinking of getting one for. I wanna do jungle on the OT but I want an S1000 for playing about with.
I love the OT SRR but not for grunging up samples. I use my walkman for that, but yeah old samplers were aiming to be as hi fi as they could.
I do agree on a fact : the only difficulty is the sound. But this fact is the same for all remake of old sound and rely on old gear.
The shopping won’t be hard to reproduce.
I recently picked up an Emu E4XT Ultra for that SOUND. I had an Akai S2000 back in the day and would have grabbed one again if it read .wav files. The latest EOS on the E4 reads wav and the guy I bought it from installed an SD card reader. It’s just a lovely machine.
I grew up on old jumpin jack frost and Ellis Dee cassettes. I think I still have a origin unknown white label somewhere. There are SD card drives that emulate a floppy for that sort of stuff. I don’t care about saving stuff with the sampler though. Just like my modular, once you finish with a sound its gone forever, not really problem for what I am thinking of getting one for. I wanna do jungle on the OT but I want an S1000 for playing about with.[/quote]
@Nedavine: I might have got it all wrong, but aren´t you based in Japan?
If so, I´ve once ordered an SD card reader for SCSI from this guy via Ebay:
http://www.artmix.com/wordpress/
I wouldn´t be surprised if he´d modified an S1000 (he´s showing a S1100 on the page).
The real question is is can YOU do jungle? 
I’m a huge D&B (Jungle’s younger brother) fan. It’s what I try to make most of the time when I’m in my audio lab, and in fact JUST got an OT so I can sample my own beats and baselines for chopping, and for atmospherics, etc.
The challenge isn’t making things sound “dirty”. The challenge is making things sound “interesting”! Anyone can make a dumb-dumb amen break sound “good” (familiar), but it’s really hard to craft your own beat (all of the standard break samples have been used to death), and then make that into something that has tons of variation. Try crafting a simple break on the MD, sample it, pitch it up, filter it, etc. - lots of work to make just one good sounding break! Writing baselines that glue the whole thing together is a real art too. This is far from being a “simple” style of music to write. I’m not very good at any of it yet either!
I’d say forget about buying old samplers, with the idea of them being the key to making Jungle. Those artists from back then would have given their left nut to have a sampler with the capabilities of the OT. If you’re on the fence about getting an OT or not, just do it! You won’t regret it.
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