Why is the Digitone clicking?

I was trying to tweak the ADSR for it as that’s where I’ve been able to do it with the A4 and the Virus C. I actually based this sound off another preset I had loaded up.

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Turn off the AENR setting on the second AMP page. This stops the AMP envelope from resetting to 0 each time the same key is pressed. You may also want to turn off the ARST/BRST and PHRT settings, especially for pads.

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Tried that. Still clicked because of the same note voice issue.

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@Olle, am I to understand that this clicking is unavoidable due to the fact that the same note being played sequentially will steal its own voice? Turning off the ARST and BRST as @pselodux suggests drastically changes the sound and it can’t be tamed with the filter envelope to sound the same. I feel like I have to be missing something.

EDIT: I tested my A4 in poly mode. When the envelope isn’t set to one of the RETRIG envelopes, it behaves as expected, the notes flow into each other. When set to RETRIG, there’s a very soft pop, which is expected.

Also, I noticed on the pad in the video, if I turn LEVB down all the way, no more clicks, but of course, then the sound is changed dramatically. Same if I turn the X/Y mix all the way to Y.

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It’s because the operator amount envelope is cutting in order to attack again. I agree it’s a bit of a sudden cut, but I guess it’s something you’re going to have to live with, unless Elektron implement the ability to make a slightly smoother transition back to the 0 point. I don’t think there’s scope to change the voice behaviour to allow for repeated notes to use different voices; tbh I’m not a big fan of that behaviour either. I think @Ess explained why it works that way in a previous thread (could be one of the bugs/suggestions threads).

As a workaround, perhaps try to mask that cut with delay/reverb? Or, a different voicing of the chord?

Actually, here’s an idea… save a copy of the sound, but use the sound settings menu to transpose it up/down an octave. Then, whenever you have two of the same chord in a row, use a sound lock to select the transposed sound, and “correct” it by changing to the octave needed in order to play the same note. I’m not sure if this would work, let me know!

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This is a pretty smart workaround so I tried it out. It does even weird shit. Somehow it makes the envelopes act even odder. I made a sound. Saved it as Sound1, then copied it, moved it an octave up, and made it Sound2. Then I loaded both into the sound pool and did the p-locking as you suggested. Instead of clicks, it’s somehow changing the entire envelope to sound more like a bell instead of a pad.

You can hear the actual proper pad sound first, then you hear it get kind of weird like the air is being sucked out, then it keeps repeating the bell click sound. Sound1 is on trig 1, Sound2 is on trig 9.

Instead of turning B all the way down could you use the BDEL setting (page 2 of syn2) to add a small delay whilst the phase is reset, just long enough to avoid the click? I have not tried this myself, but plan to test this out when I get a moment.

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Hello,

I have same problem on bass when you sequence 3 following notes. Do you have an issue?

Thank you

Note that, in general, you can’t have overlapping notes if you don’t have the polyphony to cover both the previous notes and the new notes.
Since you want 3 note chords you would need 6 voices to have any sort of overlap.

If you want to avoid clicks with just 3 voices you need to make sure the previous notes are off by the time the new notes are triggered.
As has been said above, this is just how things work (and always have worked) if polyphony is limited and you have digital voices that restart everything at key-on.

Hey mates,

I’m very disappointed about my new Digitone, because when you building really nice bass and you put on sequencer, the bassline is clicking !!!

whatever you put Attack all the way up on every ADSR, release INF, drive off, it’s clicking when you put 3 following notes !

I think i’m looking for go back my gear to my dealer. Do you have same problem? It’s very very frustating.

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I’m don’t think the problem is the gear. Try other settings. All synths can click with wrong setttings.

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Play with ADSR ( INF release ! ) and note length.

Sorry, but with my synth plugins only attack can give click.
I saw another guy with same problem, but no issue…

I tried every parameters, it’s still clicking when you hit the same note quickly especially bas and pads.

If I miss something, can someone help me please?

Is your resonance high?

Your release is likely too long, if youre retriggering the same note it’ll start from a different phase then the currently playing note, essentially snapping back to 0 which makes the pop. Shorten the release to avoid overlapping notes and and use trig length to get the correct duration.

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THERE’s yer problem., :+1:

I’m assuming the oscs get restarted at key-on so you will get a click.
You won’t be able to cover up the click with the attack if the release keeps the amp open.

This how things work for almost all digital synths.

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Any synth can give clicks if you set attack, decay or release too short.
It’s not only attack…

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With only one voice, no filter, enveloppe reset on & off… still clicking…

With release = 0, sustain different from 0, you can have clicks. It is the case with Blofeld init patch. Did you try Release settings different from INF, low values ?
I hope you’ll find out, I don’t have DN, so I can’t try. :slight_smile:

once again - try shorter note length.

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