Boycott Spotify

I have worked for a tech company in the music licensing area, so all I would say is that it’s highly likely that Spotify is having to provide detailed and granular reporting to the rights holders (i.e. the labels) about how much of what gets streamed. EDIT - and pay the rights holders accordingly.

At that point, the rights holders will be making the decision (based on contracts) about how they distribute that money. It gets complicated quickly, as things are split up based on artistry, producers, engineers, songwriting (publishing rights) etc.

So actually, yes it’s quite likely that the artists you listen to are getting something. The issue is that it’s a very small amount per stream, so obviously the bigger artists make serious money and the smaller ones don’t.

Frankly, that isn’t a new problem but just a repackaging of the same issues that have always existed. The industry is bloated and the royalty management systems are slow beyond belief. I totally accept that smaller artists might have made more money in the old days if they sold CDs etc, but honestly it probably wasn’t great then either. Artists gave up a lot to the labels that funded their recording/studio/distribution/marketing in the first place.

Of course, you can be entrepreneurial and try to run your own music nights etc, but I know people who promoted their own nights and lost plenty of money. It’s just hard to get people to pay much for music, plain and simple.

I had a friend who used to work on the management team for an huge internationally known electronic act (you would all know them) and we sat in the pub and chatted the economics once or twice. He said that they sold about 30-40k physical copies of an album they released, and there really wasn’t that much left over at the end once all the money had trickled up the tree.

The music industry has always been tough on artists. It’s like being an actor - good luck if you can’t climb very far up the business, but if you reach the top you’ll get very well paid.

I don’t want to be a hypocrite here so I’ll just say that I do use Spotify because I bought a household account as a gift for my wife. She loves it and uses it loads, I use it a bit. It’s easy and it helps me find new music.

I think companies will always find new models and technologies and ways to sell things to the public. The old models weren’t perfect and nor are any of the new ones.

As for Joe Rogan etc, not a fan of these pretend experts on every subject spreading BS but somebody else would be paying them if Spotify wasn’t, it’s free market economics. When some shock jock loses their job, the next station just scoops them up to grab the audience.

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I’m sorry, I fixed my post :slightly_frowning_face:

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It’s all good, cheers! :beers:

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Man they get you whether you like sports or not! Now NFL is on every streaming service and it’s annoying! Problem is, us obsessed fans keep paying for it!

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I think this gets lost in the current debate. There were no “good old days” when artists were fairly compensated for their music. The exploitation center of gravity has just moved from the labels to the tech bros now.

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Ironically, this is what I said from the get go that got everyone fired up! It sucks but unfortunately the nature of the business!

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Ok now what

“You own a phone thus are fundamentally impure” mirrors the “we should improve society somewhat” meme.

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Things were also bad before. Do nothing! Nothing will ever improve! Shut up and do nothing, not even complain. Continue what you were doing before all this nonsense. Re-subscribe to Spotify! Awesome!!! :+1:

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I agree that the music industry has always been shitty (payola scandals, etc.) and in a way Spotify is just continuing the tradition.

BUT on the other hand, I think people forget that for the music industry, “always” only covers about 100 or 120 years. Not that long, compared to a lot of industries.

I think about this a lot in terms of how streaming and digital media have changed the ways people listen to music, watch TV, etc. What I think of as the “normal” way that got disrupted was only “normal” from like 1950 to 2005. Not that long.

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This is exactly the shitshow I expected when I saw that there were 58 new posts in the thread. At this point there’s enough information for people to make their own decisions about whether or not they are going to pay for Spotify. Everyone knows they suck. Most of the alternatives are more or less just as exploitative (although the others don’t have multimillion dollar deals with Rogan). That doesn’t mean the solution is to do nothing but I’m also not going to get upset that someone wants to use the most convenient streaming platform because at the end of the day that particular choice likely isn’t as meaningful for them or for the world compared to other choices they could make. Voting with our wallet is important and everything is interconnected/ political but I’d rather people choose their battles and do almost anything rather than nothing because they feel like every decision is bad or because they fall into the wrong side of the “no ethical consumption” mindset.

The energy I’ve put into trying to move my Spotify playlists to other platforms could’ve been put into finding mutual aid groups or helping my local food not bombs groups or any number of other frankly more impactful endeavors. That would almost certainly have a better impact on the world, but instead I’m here typing out a diatribe to a handful of other music nerds.

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Poor argument.

Like Spotify is the only thing going bad in the World. You don’t know me, you don’t know what I’m doing for the World.

Lol. Insults are a good way to continue a conversation and admit defeat.

What was I doing before? Do you still own a phone? This is more nonsense.

Thanks and don’t forget to follow me on Spotify. :heart::pray:

Sorry Mods, I didn’t mean to get into this. All I wanted is a little irony. I didn’t know I was a bad person.

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I’m doing exactly as much as you about Spotify, as are a lot of the people you’ve decided are some sort of problem.

But you’ve been pretty fucking unpleasant on this thread and keep dodging it when people point the behavior out.

Just chill the fuck out man.

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We’re all glad you could make it to the shit show! It feel like everyone’s here now. :beers:

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Exactly! That’s what I mean

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Nice writing @m0ld ! I mean it.

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Finally a party I wasn’t late too!

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There’s no ethical consumption under blah blah and the amount of time used to debate concepts like this at the cost of possibly not building community in crap times seems a waste to me personally. I could list all the companies I’ve been boycotting since the 90s that are still going strong but that won’t inspire anyone to do anything on the internet. What I’ve found in my experience is treating people like humans, building relationships, and having a face to face conversation with them after trust is built. And even then, who the ____ do I think I am that my solution is even worth a damn? Othering each other and devaluing them will never bring about the change that will allow for all the artists in the world to be able to put dinner on their table. It just means one less person on here who won’t answer us when we can’t figure out something on our piece of kit.

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Just a reminder that you can block/hide accounts on this forum by going to their profile and changing the visibility settings.

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Agree with everything you’ve said, but to this I would add - it’s not enough. Spotify does not make enough money to be profitable and pay artists an equitable fee. The amount they’re paying is getting smaller all the time, and now there’s a threshold for how many streams, and it will just continue to get worse and worse for artists as they try to increase profits. That’s capitalism (edit: and nothing can stop that process from happening)

Yes, it’s true that historically it’s been hard for independent artists to make money from their music, but it doesn’t mean that we should accept the current conditions / status quo. We can ask for better conditions for ourselves.

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I just got that feature and oh goodness have I enjoyed using it.

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