I think recognition is better than none at all.
example: at werk I did this animation a buddy…no, colleague asked to borrow for his scene. our boss walks by, looks at his werk and says " hey thats a nice animation" …he simply responds…“thanks”
thats all Im sayin.
Oh dude…I am in no way thinking yer trying to stir shit up. We are just talking about view points…right…in a public forum 
Now THAT, is crap. However, if you had moved on 25 years, were onto bigger and better things, and were world-famous for ALL the things that you’ve done since, you might care SLIGHTLY less 
The RD-8 sounds are as good as the AR’s engines and in the case of the toms, even more flexible (can be tuned higher to do genesis beats properly) and have a more natural/musical decay. A less imposing sized version with some CC controls might even outdo it for me.
Kind of like “The RD-808 is a tribute to the classic 808 that came out in 1983, that birthed hip hop and techno and whos users include…” type of stuff?
Behringher does do that too:
They sometimes really get into explaining weird quirks of historical designs on a technical level that’s even educational.
I think one of the reasons people mistrust Behringer is that their business model is a race to the bottom with prices actually.
For me, when a company targets a critic for revenge I draw the line. Behringer seems to cross this line quite often.
Are we playing a thought experiment? Are you breaking the law by ripping off this person? Are you taking credit or are you an evangelist for the lost prophet(-5)?
Try to send it back for repair, or do the volume mod on your unit. Only the first run of units had this issue (mine is one of them.) if you get another there’s a good chance it Won’t have the major volume discrepancy.
At this point… yes. This is ALL athought experiment. Just like any other debate in a public forum such as this.
We are all either spectators at a larger game, or constituents that can vote with our wallets.
However, public discourse, (devil’s advocate or not) is healthy in my opinion.
None of this is black and white no matter which “side” any of us choose to be on.
I think for me personally? I won’t judge anyone here on what they decide to purchase to express themselves as artists, no matter how “cool” “vintage” “expensive” “boutique” or otherwise any of his or her gear choices are.
Buy the big B or don’t. Whichever you decide, make some fucking music on it and I will be first in line to listen.
Only SLIGHTLY. that’s a bush league move. 
One more little item I thought about after this conversation…
I wonder how many people scrimped and saved for a $3000 TB-303 thinking it would make them the next Richie Hawtin? Then looked at it afterwards and thought, “is this all it does?”
We define the gear. It doesn’t define us.
I think the only concern I have regarding B is that of worker rights. Though it seems like they are automating their process a lot.so it’s probably marginally better then other companies.
Even though Elektron assembles their products in Sweden, the components are produced in China. How are the worker rights in those plants. So I think it’s quiet naive to hold behringer accountable and not the other companies.
As for the IP cloning thing. It seems like the other manufacturers are “OK” with it, so if they are fine with it, then I am as well.
Hell I think Roland has a great approach to Behringer. Straight after B releases RD-6 Roland releases a TR-06 which evolves the TR-606 in every way. I think it was a brilliant move from Roland.
With all this said I most probably won’t ever buy a behringer product cause the ones I’ve tried had sticky mod wheels and wobbly knobs and it felt all around “cheap” even there more flagship models…
Cloning and expired patents are not what most people dislike about Behringer, I find it strange that people can’t seem to get this, it has been mentioned lots of times already.
I also find it strange that in light of things like the Peter Kirn incident people still want to defend Behringher, I don’t know Peter Kirn personally, and our paths have never crossed, I don’t know any of the numerous posters on Glass Door either, all I know is that I personally will never do any business with a company that acts in such a way.
But all that aside, most of the designs are very ugly, feature light and boring to me, the Pro One rack being one notable exception. A lot of their stuff looks like bad counterfeits to me, from the cheap paint to the overly shiny finishes, to the cheapest of the cheap nasty blue LEDs they insist on using in almost everything they make.
I have also said where they have done a good job on the sound and where they definitely have not, but again it isn’t really the core reason why many people don’t want to buy their stuff, so kind of a moot point.
Then there is the whole affordable analog synths argument, which again doesn’t hold any water, Korg and others were making affordable analog for some years before already. Also the access to classic sounds has never been easier or cheaper since like 2005 via cheap or free software, there are software apps that sound more like a 303 than Behringers real analog clone, for example. Ok so not real analog, but what is more important to actual music the sound or the technology used?
Then there are the questions about component quality, customer service, and firmware - which are important considerations to me when thinking about purchasing, I like my gear to be reliable and last for a long time, I tend to research as best I can before buying gear, I don’t have much faith in ultra cheap stuff generally, it is often a false economy.
I don’t care if other people want to buy their stuff, freedom of choice is great, I’d never argue against that, I’m just stating in a non emotional way why I choose not to. It isn’t “virtue signalling”, I’m far from rich and not some elitist vintage analogue collector either. I have old gear, cheap gear and modern gear, as well as DIY stuff.
I get why people want to defend it too, but only seeing half of a discussion and glossing over questionable practices like they are fictional, when there is evidence to the contrary is just daft. It would be better to just say “I don’t care about any of that, I just care about the lowest price” which is at least being truthful.
Hardware for me, software recreations for thee
I only spoke on what I know about. The business practice stuff I’ve stayed out of. That is why I say nothing on that. Like I said if one has concerns, vote with the wallet.
Funny thing about their builds and components though. They use industry standard more or less. Take the Model D. The construction is actually good. Not sure I’m into their pseudo-rocker switches because they’re basically just caps on toggles. However everything else inside you would see on most Eurorack modules. Alpha pots. Typical SMT assembly. Nothing really surprising at all.
Their synth line seems quite a bit better than say their older studio products.
I’m not here to defend them either. I know they have a history to contend with. I have never bought a Behringer studio product. I have only briefly owned a few of their synth offerings. All of which have been great.
Crave, TD-3, RD-8, and the Model D.
All of these are great IMO. (and the Pro-1 though I don’t have one myself)
The only one I still have is the TD-3. It just gets the job done, and I’m not willing to spend much on 303 stuff these days. I like the Cyclone better, but it was sold out for a while. May pick one up sometime though. The TD-3 fills the role fine though.
I also really like the RD-8. It’s actually built amazingly well, and sounds very nice. (Other than the RS being too loud as mentioned previously).
Anyway, I really don’t care if you buy B or not. That’s up to you. I’m just speaking to the products I personally know about, on their own merits. (and yes, I wandered into the cloning argument a little more than I had planned)
To B, or not is your decision. I buy products mainly based on the product itself. If I looked too deeply at everyone’s business practices, I probably wouldn’t own anything at all. Certainly not, say, Apple products for one.
Me I like companies that have integrity. They tend to respect their customers more as well.
Can any of you meme wizards whip up Randy Marsh playing a Poly D?
HAHAHA
I PREFER companies with integrity, and do support them more, but like I said, if I boycotted every company that made a bad business move, there wouldn’t be too much left out there.
Its also worth bearing in mind, depending on personal circumstances that it isn’t always possible to boycott companies like microsoft, apple, google etc. Because of the way that they have integrated into virtually all industries and taken hold/dominated them.
Given the chance I would not use any of them, but for things like paying tax, banking and other essential services there isn’t any real alternative.
Synth companies, entertainment, and consumer products etc. though are much easier to boycott if you are not cool with how they operate.
I definitely agree here.
I also heavily favor cool boutique synth makers, and especially the one-man operations, DIYers, and also the bigger but still cool ones.
I don’t lose sleep over spending $140ish on a TD-3 though.
Might be better, no? 
They won’t get my money. I can’t support the way they operate. I don’t care how cheap (and cheaply made) they go. And will be a good source for my music memes.
Note: on several forums, it might be noted that Berh is one of the few companies that has a thread(s) like this dedicated to them.
I haven’t seen one with themes like this about MOOG or Elektron or Roland… 
Not pushing buttons. Just making and observation.
I’ve seem them about some of the others, but it’s been a long time. Probably back in the ROMpler heyday.