Apple Vision Pro. The future of computing is here! (or is it?)

I think science already can show us what the dangers are. I don’t think Apple would release a product with such massive risks that would open serious lawsuits that will never end. But time will tell I guess. :slight_smile:

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Many things can only be predicted with time. For example, in the wireless communication aspect, we still don’t know enough about close proximity rf to know whether it causes tumors. It does in lab rats, but humans aren’t lab animals and we only judge exposure based on people’s use of phones. Imagine how much that might be accelerated if a person who is normally on a computer all day, wears this for 18 hours a day. There isn’t a sufficient test right now to predict the long-term results of that, they haven’t had enough time to prepare any sort of scientifically accurate case study regardless of theoretical.

And you remember when those samsung batteries were catching on fire? You just never know.

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I can already think about a future where I’m at Superbooth checking out all the new gear and can pull all kinds of information up that the developer thinks is useful while explaining its new creation and record the whole thing for later! (while having my hand free the entire time)

I can also already see myself talking with you guys and see your music pop up right next to you that I than can admire or check for later. Or check your social media on the spot to see what kind of freak I’m really dealing with. :rofl:

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If it wasn’t for the weight I would already have sold my monitor and bought the Vision. It needs to be something that I can wear with comfort for ~12h a day, which I suspect it is not as of yet. But the tech looks promising.

Plus: you can clutter virtuality with screens and have no real screen which means it’s just more space for synths!

But this tech embedded in eyes or in light glasses? It’s a future I’m not sure we want. This can be transformative on so many levels. With face recognition you could know people’s names (and public stats) before even interacting with them. Kinda Black Mirrory.

So yeah, it’s a double edged sword, as most technical progress is.

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That actually got me thinking of Endlesss (which I haven’t used in ages). That was developing into a bit of a colab space and they also built their beat arcade machines and things. I could very much imagine a space where you hang out online and “do music” with folks and listen to each others jams. Again, it’s a bit sad to think about the loss of some social aspect - totally get that - but I can def see some cool work spaces developing.

Even basic shit like having a proper digitised modular and using your hands to plug patch cables and shit in to some ridiculously big monster of a Moog!.

Or you can be present while talking to someone in person, and do all of that other stuff later. :grinning:

We (I) need less distractions, not more. The idea of surrounding myself with a bunch of screens seems like nightmare stuff to me. If I look left from my computer screen, I look out the window and see trees. That’s what I need, not another screen that feeds me more stuff to distract me from what I’m actually busy with. We need time and space to think, not more and more information being fed into our eyeballs.

Science already tells us that we have an unhealthy relationship with our phones (myself definitely included). That isn’t stopping BigTech™ from making us more and more dependent on these devices.

I definitely see the use for VR/AR. For entertainment (gaming, movies, TV), and for professional use for certain specialised tasks that you perform for a limited timeframe.

But this idea (and apple seems to be pushing it hard) that we will be wearing these things for 18 hours a day seems absolute madness to me. But I’m on the old side, so what do I know - but for once I think I don’t actually mind that I’m old and don’t face a life inside this fake new world. :laughing:

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All our friends with younger kids have some sort of VR! They all play sports and go to school. They’ll be okay!

Change is inevitable, even though it can be scary!

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And that’s great! I also have an old shitty VR headset. But if the last 20 years of mobile phones and social media has taught us anything is that we should be embracing these things sparingly and responsibly.

So when people start talking about wearing these things all day long, I get a bit twitchy.

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Everything in moderation! Except for beer!

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Glad to hear this. It’s hard for my old bastard brain to accept as it’s so alien to my own childhood.

Im still concerned for people below a certain age that the lines are too blurred between reality and digital existence.

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What kind of dystopian hell is this? :laughing:

I guess I’m just not the target market.

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Understandable, but If I recall TV was supposed to rot peoples brains! I’m sure it didn’t help but the globes still spinning!

I’m not for or against VR or Apple FYI!

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Can’t wait to have adverts pop up when I’m doing the dishes in my virtual hovel.

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They do this now for me while washing dishes and watching TV!

Edit: apparently some people only watch the Super Bowl for adverts! Go figure!

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Or is my brain too rotted to recognize the difference?

Apple sells ads like the other companies. I don’t need to spend money on another ad delivery vector right now.

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Not sure, maybe ask a professional! I can barely offer music advice!!

Cool, don’t buy it! Simplicity is bliss!

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I remember the days when I was the first at my school using a mobile phone.
Most thought it was stupid and the teachers thought I was a drug dealer.
Think it only took about 2 years for the mobile to became a mainstream thing.

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I read all the news about AVP with curiosity - it’s like a bit of a preview of the cyberpunk visions I used to get excited about as a kid (paper RPG Cyberpunk , Neuromancer, GitS). But I’m slowly getting older now, and I’d most like to put all screens and distractions away and these goggles go completely in the opposite direction (multiple windows at once? no thanks). I completely can’t see a use for myself in the long term, but I’d love to try this for an hour. But it seems to me that there will be more and more of this.

But I am wondering about the eyesight problems it might cause, after all you have these little screens a few cm from your eyes. You can’t cheat physics, it must have an effect on the eyeball.

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Well, and you have to admit that Vision Pro is a piece of engineering mastery. All those cameras outside scanning the environment and inside tracking the eyeballs. And everything happens in real time.

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