AlphaTheta (formerly PioneerDJ / TORAIZ) Chordcat Groovebox

its fun, not a single crash and some great features (like Chord Cruiser)…But since buying it - i then got Ableton Suite and find myself using its Expressive Chords features more. Having both feels a little overkill.

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FINALLY!!! Been waiting quite some time for this.

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My Q’s are

1.does it have a spread feature so the chords don’t sound mechanical triggering all notes at the same time?

  1. Can you import your own chords?

  2. Is there individual swing for each track?

Release in Japan: July 17, ¥38,500 (approx. $260)

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I was initially interested but I am getting strong Fisher-Price vibes from this unfortunately

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I’m really psyched on this one. It’s painlessly bringing chords to DAWless jamming. Time to make some piano house without knowing what I’m playing!

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There is a chord variation feature I just caught in this video, starts at 2:30

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thanks that’s for variation but not variation of chord triggering just chord type/flavor… at the 3:02 mark is exactly what I’m trying to avoid, all of the chord triggering sounds identical…
as meticulous as they have been with the development of this machine it’s hard for me to believe that this wouldn’t be number one on an update list… for right now it’s a deal breaker for me, otherwise this thing looks great!

Yeah like at least an adjustable strum!

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if you have any resources on how to make the most of expressive chords in ableton, please share!

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yep if they allow for variation in triggering, sample import (not full on) just for some one shots even old school DT1 amounts of samples, and individual swing per track it might be worth getting one and a spare

There was a sidebrain lesson thing last weekend about expressive chords, check it out

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A while ago, I jammed with Isla Kordbot in a friend’s studio: it was really fun for the first 4 minutes, but then it got boring. I guess it could be the same for Aphatheta too

My only interest for this product is that “Cruiser” mode chord recommendation system in context of the chord auditioned where a host of “possible choices” of chords are presented to you on the XY pad and from there you are able to assign to the lower saved states whatever chords you want to keep building a chord chain to compose pattern.

Pretty cool and I wonder if there is any software inside of a computer that could get this similar workflow with a similar user interface???

Because if I can get this workflow on the computer then my interest for this product is gone.

thanks in advance whoever knows of something

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what have you looked at as far as the computer goes thus far?
actually lets start another thread

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Yeah SB covered a lot of ground in that tutorial

It would be amazing if they implemented a humanize for the chords…I mean nobody plays clunky chords with full velocity and no offset on every note in a chord. The way Ableton does it with their Expressive Chords shouldnt be that hard to implement in the ChordCat - hit a chord and verticle row 1 of its touch strip would be a strumming control, row 2 could be a velocity, row 3 articulate etc

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Yea…I was waiting for this to be available, and when I saw more demos…I was a bit underwhelmed.

It’s 1.5-2x the price i was expecting here in sweden. Potentially worth it for the price i was expecting, but not for 4k SEK

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