I never bring up bluetooth at the dinner table !
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I don’t bang my head against it. Most games have a playing field. I’m not a boxer hoping to spend a fight up against the ropes, nor a tennis player wondering why I couldn’t retire to pickleball. You know how to get 8 tracks? Find a friend with another Move. Link them. 8 Tracks.
I don’t buy a hatchback and say, “but I can’t move my entire apartment in this thing.”
You don’t have to buy the “limits breed creativity” argument, but you also have to consider the false argument that something that costs “x” needs to give you more freebies. More tracks does not equate with added value. It equates to subjective opinion.
I tell you what: go ask someone prominent in our community who does not have the sense of sight whether they want 8 tracks on a move.
I’ve heard this argument in passing for 3420 comments now. I consistently ignore it because it’s so divisive, ableist, and back handed. Best reason it doesn’t have 8 tracks? Because it doesn’t. That’s the “M8VE” which is coming out in 2026. You save $100 from buying a second move, but the deck saver costs 3x the price. Why isn’t the moon made out of cheese? Because it isn’t (*see “wheels of cheese” for further explanation).
Why don’t I have a mouth where my belly button is so I can just shove food off the table directly onto myself? Wouldn’t need a fork. Why? Because I can’t. Because not every idea I have is empirically better just because I thought it or just because I can’t tolerate my own dumb face
so I can be polite about this and so you know were just having a conversation here, I think it’s a design thing. You can buy a ski jacket with 12 pockets and forget where you put your bus pass, or you can buy a ski jacket with 6 pockets (and have half the places to look for your bus pass). Some will buy one jacket because they say it has more pockets, some will buy the other because too many pockets means they have a snot rag hiding in it from two years ago. They can both be equally lovely jackets and both people can be equally lovely people.
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it is funny. But when I read that, I figured that there was already enough context that they just didn’t want to clutter up the screen. Might even be that they made the numbers larger. But maybe they figured “what else would movers think it could it be?”
What I wish is that we could get back to the suggested BPM, maybe from the tempo menu itself. I will sometimes make other choices first to deliberate, and then loose the shortcut to the 3 options.
Why so protective over a piece of plastic?
4 tracks limits my creativity. So what? When i create music i have to stop because of that limit. So what? Its based on how i create music. Now i also know, 4 tracks devices is not for me. Simple eh, how the world works and people has opinions!
Deal with it.
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well I’ll respond to your opener: because I’m not. That’s an interpretation. I’m protective of bad reasoning, which is rather prevalent in our post-truth culture. Your arguments are made up for your application. My argument is a reality test. How many tracks does it have? 4. So find something that applies to your application. That doesn’t sound particularly protective of an object–whatever the material–nor precious of me.
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1 - Drumracks are not just for drums. Load one up with whatever sounds you want and sequence them melodically and you can get a really dense arrangement going very quickly. Plus you can pan!
2 - Polyphony. You hear an extra little accent, riff, or countermelody in your head that you want to add on top? How does it sound if you overdub that onto your bass track but a few octaves up? Have a high melodic pad sound playing a lead but you want to fill out the low end more, how does that patch sound with a drone playing at a lower octave? In other words, try filling out the different ranges of each polyphonic instrument. Once you have the idea started and brought back into Live you could always split those ideas into separate tracks and tweak or change the sounds.
3 - Simplify. Plenty of amazing music has been made with only 4 instruments or fewer. Maybe even most recorded music to be honest between 4 piece rock bands, small jazz combos, minimal dance music, etc. If you can’t make something good with 4 tracks don’t blame Move.
4 - It’s a sketchpad. I don’t make dance music so the sketches I make on Move are going to end up back on the computer to have vocals and other overdubs added.
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Thanks for the tips. I tried to use the drumracks for samples. But i’m not really a sample guy. Didnt give me that extra vibe as i would have with synths.
Number 3 is off tbh. I can make 4 tracks music. I think everyone can. Thats not the case. If you read my orginal post, im talking about when im in the mood for a composition (sketch), i have layers of sounds ongoing, i just miss 2 extra tracks. Its my opinion. Why is it sometimes hard to express thoughts. As if negativity is not allowed or something.
I know the move has 4 tracks, i bought it with 4 tracks. 4 tracks. Number 4. I love the device as it is. But i can also be critical about it. 
Anyways, im done here.
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my father in law to be needs 12 pockets on his vest and he’s kickin ass and taking names so be careful
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‘I want that one!’
‘Are you sure you want that one? That one only has 4 tracks. You always say that working with 4 tracks is too limiting for you.’
‘Yeh, I know… I want that one.’
‘O.K., here it is.’
‘This one only has 4 tracks.’
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Sounds like a Little Britain sketch with Lou & Andy 
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Watching “Fujifilm X half - Half the Camera, Twice the Fun!” after reading your post 
I use OneOdio studio Max 1 headphones with iPad and the latency is minimal when using the transmitter plugged directly into the iPad with USB C. Can also be used as Bluetooth or wired.
I really enjoy my move but I agree it would be way better with 6 or 8 tracks – just like Note has.
almost certain that Ableton will address this fact with an MK2 version in another couple years and everyone here low key trashing you for plainly stating the obvious will be falling over themselves to buy it.
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I thought Move could technically have 64 tracks? As all tracks can be a drum rack containing 16 samples?
The 4 track ‘limitation’ seems pretty easily overcome.
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Technically - yes, for some music genres.
Realistically - that’s not useful or practical for other music genres, where you’d want to have access to each “track’s” instrument & sound design parameters, separate effects, etc.
8 actual tracks would be great, 12-16 would be awesome.
4 is a sketchpad area, which is good (for a sketchpad).
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Well that is what they market it as, so I guess there’s no issue on their end lol.
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That’s a tasty prediction. There’s an entire feature request on discord, things like locks and momentary effects, better slicing, which is coming out in firmware, filling in those hidden shift-option steps with features, which other manufacturers indeed never completed before releasing the mkii versions. All of which would make such a prediction less generous to the folks making music with this thing every day.
But I want to honour @KrisG 's question “how are you dealing with this ‘limitation’” , and they are keen enough to put that in quotes. My answer is I play within the container that it is. This forum alone is replete with unexpected performances, shortcuts, tips tricks, user content that far exceeds in expression what one could label a limitation.
But one thing it ain’t is an 8 track sequencer. Bouncing tracks is also a long time craft of 4-track recording, but just like resampling to a drum pad, it’s a workaround, and it comes with limitations. For artistic results those trade offs are well worth it. The moog on “here comes the sun” came with George Harrison deciding that he didn’t need the woodwinds that George Martin had meticulously arranged. Or it might have been an irreversible mistake. And there’s also no going back from the current mix settings and track balances in tape. You’re also re-recording tape, which has a certain degradation to it, which you might actually like, creatively. At least with resampling you could make another pass at it. pfew! You can get that degradation by rerecording effects, so again, resampling is a craft, but it isn’t the same as “hidden extra tracks”.
And at best, it affords you a fifth or sixth quasi-track, but 8 would imply you are bouncing every track, or embedding long samples on lots of pads. What happens when you go back into ableton and want to work in clips? You going to drag notes around? Not my cup of tea.
So, no, it’s not 8 tracks. And I dare say being on here wishing for 8 tracks is kind of a practice in magical thinking. And magical thinking is replacing people’s grip on reality in too many ways already. And if you need 8 tracks, you are still entirely welcome here to the conversation, hell, we’re off topic of elektron devices, so I’m entirely the guest here. But consider that complaining about it being 4 tracks and not doing anything about it, like explaining how you’d implement it, solving how to make music on 4 tracks, polling folks to see if they agree with you in this form factor, explaining how it would work seamlessly with how the move works already, figuring out how to code it, getting it to market: is exactly that: a complaint, not an argument.
It also doesn’t chop a tomato. We need to stop thinking of businesses and leaders as people who are going to save us if we complain enough. We are more than consumers and cogs, despite all the data that is being tracked about you and I.
@dragonaut offers some context which I think is entirely correct: 4-it’s a sketchpad. These aren’t performance specs, although I would not put this limitation passed you @odd_sundays or @KrisG to make it work for you if you really had your heart set on it. I watched a harpist from France, Naomi Greene send control scene changes on the most unlikely 1-octave key controller. It sounded amazing. In her case, the move would be a step up for ease of use on stage.
Your other argument about Note is a more sound observation, in my opinion. It’s a glaring contradiction/wort that you can’t round trip with note and move. I dare say I’d rather them cripple Note and make it 4 tracks if it meant that it could remain open as an interface to the Move, the way the OP-Z has a phone interface.
Is anyone here going to defend the Note and tell me that I’m treading on hallowed ground? Couldn’t you just export your Note projects before some determined release date and indulge me here?
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No, there isn’t. Just making it clear 
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I think it would be cool if and when we get audio tracks and a song mode, if they created some kind of bounce feature. What if it took your four tracks and bounced them down to an audio track on track 4 and the original 4 tracks are deactivated. Then you can keep adding more stuff and bounce as many times as you want. BUT when you bring your set back into Live all of your previous deactivated tracks are still there so you have access to your full project and you can mute the bounced tracks and reactivate the instruments.
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