Can people stop whinging about how fast the update is?
It was four years between L8 & L9, five years between L9 & L10, and three years between L10 and current version. Every other update previous to those was annual or biennial.
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You can sidechain from a drum in a kit in L11, although Iām not sure if you can do this within the same drum kit.
If not, I think you can always use Duck Buddy and Duck Call (highly recommended).
or Cubase paying every year, over and overā¦
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You canāt. Iām trying to setup a reactive EQ band in Pro 3 but you canāt select another drum track within the group as the sidechain source. You can only see top level tracks. The clunky workaround is to create a send in the group and set its output to another send at the top level. The top level send would be set to āSend Onlyā. You can then use that as a sidechain source.
I suppose I could use Neutron to do it as I believe the plugins talk to themselves without needing sidechain routing through Abletonās mechanisms. Iām just much more partial to Pro Q3.
M4L Step Divider is good.
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Could you use Audio Routes? (Audio sender device.) Which I use on individual drum tracks to send out of the drum rack to be processed.
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Potentially. It depends on what can be āInput Tracksā sources. I would have to install it to find out.
I think the issue is that, within a āDrum Rackā, the individual instrument tracks arenāt exposed because they are nested within a device. The āDrum Rackā channel is the only track that is exposed. The āAudio Routesā device would need to be able to sit at the top level yet reach āintoā the āDrum Rackā to see the individual tacks. I would think that āAudio Routesā can only see what is exposed. It is likely constrained in the same way that any other plugin is with regards to sidechain sources.
The āsending to a sendā is the only way I can see to expose individual āDrum Rackā tracks. You would need a seperate send pair for each element you want as an exclusive souce though. That would get cluttered really quickly.
Itās not critical. Iām just trying to find a way to dynamically EQ elements within a āDrum Rackā from within itself.
From version 1.5 release notes:
"New in Audio Routes v1.5
ā¢ Audio Routes devices now work inside Live Racks"
This might break that barrier. Downloading now. 
Update: I can use the āSenderā device on any track, āDrum Kitā instrument tracks included, and send the audio to āReceiverā. So, I can create āReceiverā tracks at the top level then use them as sidechain sources. I could even process those sources before using them as sidechain sources. This actually works out a bit better. Many thanks for the recommendation @cuberoo!
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I have Bitwig; itās great! I kind of treat Bitwig like having a modular setup; itās my playground for experimenting while Ableton is my main production environment.
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Yes it seems like it has quite a range of possibilities and I also like the UI similar to wave table and drift
I might have an Ableton Live Lite license if you like. Iāll check in the morning. Let me know if you want it.
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Thank you, thatās really kind of you! One of the things Iām most excited to try is Operator, and I guess thatās only in Suite? So I think Iām just going to do the 30 day trial. I really appreciate it, though!
Correct. Operator is only in Suite. However, with a Lite license you can upgrade and save some dollars. So if you do pull the trigger, youāll get a discount.
afaik thereās no upgrade path from Lite to Suite, itās full price pretty much, but with the 20% preorder itās a pretty good discount for the 12 license, I imagine theyāll throw 11 with it just like they did when 11 was launched and they gave 10 with it.
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Iām one of those weirdos who never got into Ableton Live. Iāve had a couple versions of Lite, the kind you get when you buy a MIDI controller, audio interface, or whatever, but Iāve never been a real Ableton user. I mostly use Renoise, and I have Bitwig for multitrack recording, but I donāt really gel with it, so I stopped buying updates. I checked out Lite (I only have version 10) and the things that bug me about Bitwig arenāt present in Live. As a fan of Pd, Max for Live is very attractive to me too.
Long story short: Iāve been a bit Ableton-curious lately, even before the version 12 announcement.
I see that if I buy Live Suite 11 now, Iāll get the 12 update without paying again. This kind of seems like really a good time to jump in, cost-wise ā does that sound right? Or does anyone think it would be kinda dumb (price-wise) to buy 11 now at the announcement of 12?
Also, just looking around on the web: Thomann sells Live licenses for significantly less money than the Ableton website! Thomann seems to be the right place to go
That sounds rightā¦ Itās buy 11 now on discount, and upgrade to 12 for free.
Good time to purchase. I donāt think youāll see cheaper from Ableton, but itās always possible for a seller to have a lower price. Black Friday is just another week away, it might make sense waiting until then just to be sure youāve got the best price.
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On the contraryā¦. I just gave my son some money to do just that a couple days ago. He has it all up and running tonight. Includes the free update to suite 12 in February too.
https://www.thomannmusic.com/ableton_live_11_suite_upg_lite.htm
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nice, but is that Thomann offer only? I remember people with Lite saying they donāt see any upgrade path in their Ableton cartā¦
thatās a great deal btw, $380 for 11 and 12 Suite.
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Correct, thomann only (as far as I know). And buyable in the US. And they send you a license you apply on Abletonās site to your lite license and you are good to go.
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Ive had live 11 intro since 11 came out but never used it more than to test if i liked it more than logic. But now when 12 come it got some nice feautures logic dont have so think its time to try it more without the intro track limit so i upgraded to the standard 11 now with the 20% discount and got the 12 license also included
You can also purchase these Lite to Suite upgrade codes from a few different retailers in Australia
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