Reminds me - is anyone having weird behaviour with cross fading chain selectors in midi effect racks on the current beta?
Was trying to set up a dry / wet control for one and it didn’t behave as expected, i.e. reduce the velocity of notes going into one chain and increase going into the other. Didn’t find the manual entirely clear on this, so maybe I’m wrong about that. Been sleeping on midi effect racks for far too long, only really started digging in recently.
Anyway, this just didn’t seem to work in a session the other night. But I opened the project again there and it seemed to be fine, so not sure was I just losing it. But maybe also related, I seem to be getting a lot more hard crashes than usual on this beta (12.1.10b4)
I think I’ve figured it out - chain fades on midi effects racks feel quite different from audio / instrument ones because they don’t quite go to zero so you need to add switching the chain on/off to the macro if that’s what you want. But maybe more fundamentally, reducing/increasing midi velocity works quite differently to just turning down the volume in general and also interacts with wherever you’ve routed velocity to in your voice.
So user error rather than an issue with the beta - was already used to audio racks and somehow expected midi racks behave in the same way. Tbh it never even occurred to me to use fades with midi racks until recently, a lot here to explore.
Edit - another thing that confused me, the chain affects the incoming midi velocity rather than outgoing so instead of using the chain selector putting a velocity device at the end of chains and mapping each Out Hi to a macro gets behaviour similar to how it works with audio racks, i.e. smooth crossfade between e.g. two different arpeggiators.
This. It’s very rare that velocity of 0 produces no sound. It’s often just very quiet / gentle / soft / subdued.
Obviously, just using the Expression Control and Utility to reduce volume with velocity would work, too - but that’s not very “elegant” (if that’s something you care about).
The attraction here is manipulating the pattern rather than audio so it can be edited further later - tbh just using a velocity device at the end of chain approximates the kind of cross-fade you get in audio racks pretty well.
Although I’m going to have to think about whether Out Hi is the best parameter to map for this - probably would be better to scale proportionally rather than effectively limit and flatten out dynamics in the clip as it fades out. Not sure it makes all that much difference really - at least not on the stuff I’m working on right now - but should take no more than a couple of minutes to hack together a max device to get this behaviour. I did find a device but it adds or subtracts a fixed amount rather than scaling, also would like to have a bit of control over the curve.
@contduit there’s probably going to be a bunch of ways, but maybe a midi envelope with no attack/decay/release and infinite sustain automating the effect send or dry/wet or device/chain on/off or whatever. Don’t think you can automate an effect’s on/off control without putting it in a rack though. Edit - Phillip got there before me.
A more general solution would be to use “normal” Envelope Follower after the instrument & before the FX, because not all sounds have transient immediately when the MIDI gate appears (assuming @conduit want’s to duck the transient).
Both are great though, depending on the source & goal
The sidechain filter in Compressor isn’t audible…?
I’m using the stock Compressor, when I set up and monitor the Sidechain, I hear the incoming SC signal fine, the Gain works fine, but when selecting any of the filters (with ‘EQ’ on) I can’t hear them (I know I used to be able to).
I’m using Live 12.1.10.
Can anyone repeat this?
Am I missing a simple option check somewhere…?
Was messing with pre/post fx and post mixer, turning eq and sidechain on and off and some wierd sound frequency changes were happening. So maybe a bug?
