1010music Blackbox

I’m hoping that the BlackBox can be used for a combination of sample playback and sequencing external gear. (Looks like it may well be my next purchase).

So I have a particular question, that I’m finding it hard to answer: If you’re using a keyboard as USB input, when you’re playing the keyboard to trigger a particular pad (whether recording or not) can those notes also be sent onward to midi out (TRS midi) so I can hear the external synth ?

@circuitghost looks like you may have just answered my question, but I’m not entirely sure.

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Interesting, never thought of lowering the brightness, makes sense. Cheers.

On the left. Is that a intellijel case with the 1 u in the middle? Where did you got that? I am asking for a friend :wink:

Yep. It’ll work. Prepare for a mess, tho. There’s the midi routing from individual samples and midi routing from separate sequences, as well as global midi settings.

But it’s worth the pain. I’m currently applying your exact use case in my rig, and it’s working. Took me awhile to get there tho :blush:

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The Blackbox and BASTL DUDE make a nice combo. I experienced several issues trying to record separate Blackbox outputs into an Audient interface and editing the tracks in Logic. The audio levels and sound quality for some reason never matched what I heard in my headphones. I read several threads here of Blackbox users managing outputs via a mixer such as @circuitghost. The BASTL DUDE did the trick and the results are night and day. Each of the 5 mono tracks can be cranked to 20 dB gain to boost a signal. I haven’t tried this yet but because each channel provides enough gain, the Dude can also be transformed from an audio mixer into a tone generator by feeding the output back to the input through a passive EQ. The Dude runs off batteries and can be put in a backpack with the Blackbox, small MIDI controller, and recorder of your choice to make music at the park. Or as as the Dude says, " Yeah, Well, That’s Just, Like, Your Opinion, Man."

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Nice Combo! Cranking levels on the dude makes for some tasty crunchy sounds. Try feeding some drums and crank it up^^

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Very cool. I do think anyone who’s not using the multiple outs of the Blackbox, they’re missing out. So many ways you can enhance the mix by just routing it through those outputs and just make it wider, you know?

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I’m struggling a bit, as someone who doesn’t (yet) own a blackbox, to discover what it’s limits are. I come across a video which says “it can’t do X”, I read the latest manual and can’t find references to X, but then I discover (by googling or stumbling across something) that actually it does do X, but manual used different words or put it in an unexpected place. This is related to the wonderful state of affairs where 1010music keep updating the firmware of course.

Any suggestions ? Is there a changelog anywhere for these firmware updates for instance (I’ve just learnt a lot by skimming the manual that highlights 1.5->1.7 changes) ? Or shall I keep on asking (possibly dumb) questions here ?

Yes. Keep asking :slight_smile: the truth is maybe out there, but it’s definitely popular around here.

The reason I’ve attached to it so deeply, isn’t so much that I’ve accepted its limits - I have - but fully embraced that which it does.

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You can also see a change log of sorts on their forum, in the firmware area. You need to register first, but then you’ll see a number of new categories for firmware - so jump in there and see if that helps. Otherwise, ask away!

I’m still getting to grips with mine, and finding it arguably a lot more useful than the Bluebox. I love being able to move around with it in different setups in different spaces - I’ve heard people describe it as a notebook - I like that.

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I use it for final tracks. All the stuff I’ve done last year or so, was more or less from the Blackbox, some of it commercial (though through the SiX then). It’s perfectly capable of complete productions.

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I’ve heard! It’s certainly capable. It’s my favourite little box at the moment - very fun.

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Me too. I don’t think I’d want to work, in any capacity now, without a Blackbox sat there ready to grab whatever I do.

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Shame that filter modulation doesn’t extend to envelopes … slightly limits what can be done with single cycle waveforms (unless you plug in external midi gear).

But I guess that’s on everyones wishlist anyway …

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I don’t want to be one of those “how do you use it” guys. But I don’t think I’m getting it, so… how do you use it? When not using it as a Digitakt stand-in, I mean?

Like, are people recording long “tracks” per pad, slicing them up and triggering sections in a seq, and then arranging in song or something? I feel (especially listening to @circuitghost’s All That We Lost or hearing people talk about it like a notebook) like there’s a whole compositional side outside of sequencing hits on a grid that I’m missing and am not finding an answer for in the manual.

EDIT: @circuitghost, always very timely, mentions over in the Bluebox thread:

it’s not about [the blackbox’s] features. It really is about the free form way it approaches recording, sequencing and arranging and the fluent way this is implemented.

Would you be able to say a bit more about that or the best way to start exploring that direction? I think part of my problem is I’m only learning “features” in the manual, and am not sure how to get outside of that space when sitting down at it.

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Honestly, I think with the Blackbox you just need to try it out and see. I dithered and looked after it for at least a year before I pulled the trigger. It is a very weird device and I have not encountered anything like it.

It’s a bit like the Octatrack in that it can be whatever you want, within certain limitations, but it also cannot be everything, due to those limitations. The notebook parallel is apt, because it is so fast to work with, but it is also capable of entire productions, as @circuitghost demonstrates.

Once you get a sample into it or load up the samples you want to work with it’s not about, “what can I do to destroy or process the hell out of this sample?” It’s more like, “how can I work with this sample to bring out the parts of it that I like and either make an instrument out of it or sequence it alongside other samples?”

It fills a unique space for sample heads. Due to time constraints, I am still exploring and getting to know mine, but it is deceptively powerful and intentionally limited.

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Well, while each track is different in how it’s made, for much of the time, here’s I go from nothing to a finished song on the Blackbox -

Empty project. Zero samples.

I set up the Blackbox to send midi, and start playing my Prophet 12 from the Blackbox virtual keyboard or grid. Sometimes, I connect a proper keyboard for more elaborate playing, sometimes the Deluge for more nuanced sequencing. But many of my tracks used Blackbox only from start to end, as far as midi sequencing and composition goes.

Once I got something I like, I record it into the Blackbox. My takes are long, usually between 64 to 128 bars, or custom lengths set to a few minutes.

I repeat this process until I got a skeleton for a track. At this point, I bring in samples from other sources. Field recordings, left-over recordings from tracks that never happened, one shots, random loops. Whatever pops up into my head, from already existing material.

Once I got something coherent from all this runnnig, all triggered from the sample board still, I resample stuff through one or two Chase Bliss pedals, for extra flavour. I usually apply the Blackbox filter, pitch and granular engine to look for extra textures, or slice loops up for random triggers which creates a sort of modulation effect. I almost never stick to the original recorded pitch.

When all this seems to play in tandem and the mix is working, I start sequencing each pad. I use one pattern per sample most of the time. This is where you can get more creative, and for instance apply polyphony to a loop, set a long release, allow the sequencer to fade it out and then fade it in again while the first trig is still running. Very powerful stuff, as far as creating organics go. Apply velocity to modulation and you got even more movement.

I finally batch sequences up from the Song mode, into a structure where sequences run free across multiple clips in the Song mode. This is where I actually write the song, but it’s usually based on live improvisations where I’ve more or less worked out what I want to do, so this part is the last one and usually only takes a few hours.

Then, I assign the slots to individual outs, hook up the Blackbox to the SiX and sum it and master it. I’ll be adding a master reverb to this final chain now, but until now, it’s been completely dry into the SiX and recorded to a Zoom H1n, and then it’s up on Soundcloud.

I should perhaps add that I almost never use the Blackbox fx either. They’re good, but I like things dry, so apart from resampled material, I don’t use fx at all. Until now, when I’m going to try reverb on the master for a few upcoming tracks.

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My use case is completely different from @circuitghost, so I think there might be some value in writing up how I use the Blackbox. Will try to do so soon, to keep the discussion going and offer another perspective.

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There are easily 20 things in here I never even thought of trying. Thanks so much for taking the time to write it out!

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And he doesn’t ask you to like or subscribe! :beers: :laughing:

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