The most popular news and political videos kinda sum it up for me, I would have a hard time recommending a platform to most people I know that is so ideologically conservative
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Well, Iâm not promoting the platform, but, if youâre into politics, itâs good to see what the other side is up to, no?
Sure, I guess, but I think a viable alternative to youtube would be something I could actually recommend to the average person in my life, and it would need to be a little more balanced at least.
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Today Iâm deleting my Google account for Youtube as last night I got a final warning to disable my ad blocker on Youtube. Since today I can only watch âShortsâ (short vertical videos that make your brain rot away). All other videos are blocked.
Itâs pretty insane how they have total control over the content creators and their incomes on that platform and at the same time forcing people to swallow as much garbage aka ads as possible. We clearly need alternatives that make Youtube turn to dust. And I really hope itâs sooner than later.
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If you still want to continue watching videos on YouTube, you should try âBrave Browserâ. Works without any problems so far. No warnings or anything, no advertising. That doesnât make YouTube more attractive and doesnât solve the actual problem, but if you have channels you want to continue following, Brave would be a good solution.
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I donât see myself switching to a whole new browser though and it would probably only delay until Youtube finds a way to block access that way as well. Personally I like using Safari and wonât be switching because of Youtube or any other website.
Some argue online getting a Youtube premium account. But hat only means youâre giving away even more data + your money, and still get ads in videos. As a bonus every year youâll end up paying more and more while they add more nonsense thatâs totally irrelevant to the content youâre watching.
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Have been paying the same for years. And a big chunk goes to creators. No ads other than in video ads by creators themselves that can be easily skipped (not a fan of those though but if it helps them create premium content then why not). It also includes YouTube music which is pretty great.
Iâm not sure I understand this vibe of âeverything needs to be high quality and freeâ. How does that work exactly?
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Did you see me type I only wanted free content?
This is what I find problematic. You say youâre not fan yourself yet you play exactly the game advertisers love for you to play. And then you claim people only want content when itâs free while they never said such thing.
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Click Brave, Open YouTube 
. Super easy, barely an inconvenience
Not trying to judge you or suggest that you only want free content. Genuinely curious. Getting rid of ads is possible. Therefore one needs to pay for a premium account. That goes in part towards the company running the platform and part of it goes to content creators. This seems fairly logical to me. Yet some suggest they donât want to for various reason but still would like the content. I do not fully understand how that would work, hence my question. Which I probably should have phrased differently though 
Creators that promote stuff in their videos can be ignored (not subscribed to) or you can skip through it. It still helps the creator create the content, which is a lot of work. Personally I donât mind if they promote their own content like patreon or courses (I do this as well and try to make it as non intrusive as possible)
Regarding data mining itâs difficult to completely navigate around that. I guess you could stop using anything related to google which includes search and any browser running on chromium. And I totally agree this practice is filthy. Iâm actually going tonality to Firefox as soon as possible because of changes to googleâs privacy terms for chromium browsers. Which basically navigates around cookies and the ability to not accept them.
Please explain to me how this is not exactly that: wanting content for free without any downsides. Genuinely curious, not meant to be a judgement :). Ads suck but itâs completely logical that google would want to get rid of ad blockers imho.
Would you try and use your favorite music / movie streaming platform for free without any downsides if it were possible ?
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I also think that what YouTube is doing here is actually quite good. This helps people to concentrate on what is important and to minimize the âlost in YouTubeâ effect. And on the other side, many people who make money from crap on YouTube will now have fewer viewers and may have to rethink their approach. Seems like a purge to me. 
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Like you mentioned if someone buys themselves into a premium account they still get ads throwing at them. Yes they can skip those ads for now (you still see a couple seconds though) but how long before that gets changed?
Advertisers will always find ways to demand content creators to do things in certain ways. Also I donât agree content creators get that much from Youtube when or if everybody gets a Premium Youtube account. Why do I think this is true? Because all big platform operate basically in the same way.
Only a tiny portion in this game goes to content creators. And in the meantime those content creators need to watch out because at any point Youtube could block their income from the platform and they would have no easy way of getting that fixed. They got a monopoly going and hold everyone hostage in that sense. Or at least thatâs how I see things when I strip it to the basics. More laws are being made and courts against big companies are won but theyâre so big and powerfulâŚ
The main reason I got addictive to Youtube was because everyone is using it, not because I really want to. Iâve no idea what it takes to set up a platform that can compete though. We also gotta remember that Youtube didnât get this big because it was playing by the law either. And we all know those platforms have a massive impact on our societies. What I would like to see is a platform for the people by content creators not because of advertisers. But how I have no clue?
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I largely agree with you when it comes to big tech and their position being way too powerful. would love to see a viable platform like you describe as well.
Creators get very little from YouTube itself unless you are very big. But I think still a lot more than what a small artist would get on Spotify for example. At least this was the case not long ago. But the ads that creators put in themselves can pay fairly well actually as the creator is paid directly by the adâs company. And this can be hundreds l, even thousands depending on the amount of subscribers. I donât think the way these ads work will really change as it is the content creator adding it to their videos themselves. Even if that would change I donât think premium account users will have to watch then as you pay premium not to get ads. It wouldnât make much sense if that were to change for this type of ad.
Personally Iâm not a fan of these but I accept them as needed for certain content to exist like sonic talk for example.
As a creator you donât really have to watch out unless you navigate in sensitive content like politics. For music channels thereâs not really anything that would prompt YouTube to close your account. At least Iâm not afraid of that at all.
I donât see it like that really. Demand what or how exactly? Creators can create the content they want and how they want. No advertisers have a say in that unless the content creator chooses to. And if that shows and people donât like that, they can unsubscribeâŚ
Premium also includes youtube music, so you can cancel your spotify or apple music subscription to offset the costs.
I donât like the thought of giving money and data to google, but if I had to watch one more liberty mutual ad, i feared I was going to snap and go John Wick on an emu ⌠
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i think the biggest annoyance with this kind of stuff is when something goes from free to paid. sure youtube hasnt been ad free since maybe the first couple years of its inception, i really dont remember.
feels like tech companies were all âbut ads are the absolutely only way we could possibly make moneyâ and ran with that forever and now they exist by sucking on that teet. so since these groups of âinnovatorsâ lack any sense of innovation when it comes to being profitable, they revert to classic drug dealer business models, eg âfirst thousand are free.â then jack up their prices to remove this ânecessary evilâ of advertisements. while still providing basically the same service they provided from the beginning. plus some advertisement analytics tools. their whole business model is developed on undervaluing their own product/service, then acting all surprised when they assign a higher value to it later on and people try to maintain the original cost of free. im sure plenty of people have also never clicked on an ad they were served on youtube, so what is even the quantifiable aspect that leads to payment to the creator? literally just looking at the ad? what a pointless endeavor to try to defend.
its junk logic that then gets spun into making the consumer the bad guy for maneuvering around their stupid system they rely on.
side note: everytime i hear a content creator say âthese contributions/advertisements/patreon patrons make these videos possibleâ i chuckle, thinking of all the people grinding making the things they like for zero income. somehow they make their stuff possible. highlights priorities
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This assertion is completely baseless. Of the YouTube content creators that I follow who are willing to discuss the financial side, all of them have emphasized that they get substantially more money from a YouTube premium view then from non-premium views. This was actually the thing that pushed me to subscribe, as nice as it is to not have ads.
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Your post is basically right, but I wanna defend the individual artists in this bit. The fewer avenues to getting paid, the more art-making just becomes the hobby of people who can afford it. Wish there was more of a safety net to avoid this whole thing, but here we are
EDIT: The ad model is still garbage, though. I was mostly thinking about Patreon/subscriptions
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Read again what I wrote as I never said theyâre getting nothing. Iâm claiming theyâre getting too little of the pie.
By using an ad blocker they get even less.
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