Wouldn't you wanna make a living out of music?

I am sure a lot more people than ever before are able to live from their art. There are just a few hundred million more fishing in the same pool for attention.
The rat race is everywhere, anything worth achieving comes with the same old ingredients.

But the pool has grown to the size of an ocean, to extend the metaphor.

A lot of the discussion about stuff like this relies on some idea that actually it’s the same or better, and I just don’t buy it.

Honestly the era of making a decent living with art was really, really short. Basically from the early-mid 20th century to whenever internet came with full force, maybe late noughts. And the reason artists, mostly writers and musicians could get paid was capitalism and industrialization. I’d blame digitalization rather than hypercapitalism for the downfall of writer or musician as a middle class job.

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I agree, it’s neither. Times changed, it’s not the same. Standing out is always going to be difficult imho, zeitgeist rules.

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2022: twisting some knobs on a few cool music boxes is not going to cut it to make a living. No big deal :peace_symbol:

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I think the ā€˜ocean’ is much bigger and diverse today…

look at how many websites we have, all requiring design, media and photographic input…
or games, or even thing like tv output…

as has been said previously, media consumption (which includes graphics, photography, music) has exploded over recent years - so this has no doubt provided many opportunities.

now, I’m not saying this is ā€˜quality’ , but who are we to judge what society values?
but I also don’t think we do artists in these industries any favours saying they are ā€˜selling out’ to commercialism - I expect many are being as creative as they can within the constraints they are set… (and isn’t art partly about being creative with constraints :slight_smile: )

like it or not, I think we have to move with the times… and adapt, rather than hark back to the good ol’ days . (which we are possibly guilty of looking at nostalgically )

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Amen to that

standing out might be an art of the past…

I come from a long line of farm workers, tin miners, and hauliers, all of whom worked themselves half to death for next to fuck all money. And if you asked any of them how they felt about their lot in life, they’d say they were lucky that they had a job and food on the table.

I think our generation can be a bit guilty of turning a drama into a crisis where this sort of thing is concerned. Yeah, it’s hard to make money making music, but it ain’t fucking coal mining, is it.

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I agree, it does not mean being famous, it’s having 100/0? folks who buy every month some stuff from you. Just like the good old bakery down the street, F#$& the supermarket (most of the time).

I have an old friend, pro drummer. Lost most of his income with the plague. He is also a great drawer. He started designing cards for friends and fam. Got recommended a lot and is now doing fine with that creative outlet. This is al very local, but it works he is good and people care so spend a bit more for an OG design from the artist they know playing drums for 40 years.

Funny anecdote as regards getting paid vs. artistic freedom. There’s this Swedish metal guitarist named Ola Englund (The Haunted) who has a fairly popular Youtube channel. Just came across his new video where he’s talking about how his ā€regular channelā€ has grown so big now (700k subs) that it kinda ā€locks him inā€, so he’s started a second Youtube channel to allow himself some creative freedom.

So yeah, that to me is making a living out of music in 2022 in a nutshell.

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he plays cover songs and reviews gear. not quite my dream of being a musician.

I thought he had his own guitar company?

Probably not profitable enough to live off of.

This made me chuckle

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Define a shitload? It’s a start, how much do you need?

Probably not, who knows. I’m a long way from bring a businessman.

This.

If you want to make a living from music, be a DJ or a cover band, and do weddings. Simple.

I think people that enjoy making music, aren’t interested in making money. If they were, they would not have become interested in making music.

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As regards Solar Guitars… Well there is this. :wink:

My guess is that Solar Guitars alone would be enough to put food on Ola Englund’s table. But of course that’d probably be the case only as long as his Youtube channel continues to thrive. Which again is another piece of evidence of how you need to do absolutely everything to earn money on music. Probably doesn’t leave him with a lot of time to actually make music.

My dream of being a musician is definitely very different to how it looks like for Englund but playing covers on Youtube, owning a guitar company and having played 10 years in the same band as some of the At the Gates guys… well, it could be a lot worse. Not to say that makes him an artiste extraordinaire in my books.

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The situation of even the greatest musicians (with a very few exceptions) was extremely difficult even long before capitalism. I recommend for example J.E. Gardiner’s excellent Bach biography ā€œMusic in the castle of heavenā€ (2013). Ironically the image of the artistic genius, free to create art for art’s sake is itself largely a product of 19th century romanticism and not unrelated to the cultural ambitions of an increasingly affluent bourgeoisie produced by a flourishing capitalist system.

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I’d like to have seasons. Two careers, one artistic and one doing something everyday but not horrible, teacher or shipping clerk or whatever. Six months on, six months off. Problem is that most jobs won’t let you disappear for half a year and then pick up where you left off.

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That’s one ugly guitar, hah! I have no idea how much Solar Guitars sells units, but their artist roster looks pretty thin. Couple of really cool guitarists, like Nocturno and Kirk Windstein, and then a lot of nobodies who probably just bought a guitar and were added to the artists list, no endorsement. But I guess that’s how it works in the year 2022.