I’m alright with that. I just think hot takes like this aren’t a very useful way to get that point across.
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yes, thank you! 
the thread ttle does state…
WHAT…IS…NEXT…???
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I agree that his style of posting is trollish, but he has solid arguments to support his point of view. I just don’t agree with them, but who knows, eh?
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I am honestly baffled by anyone wanting a touch screen for a musical instument. Even the best touch screens are fiddly and inaccurate when used with a finger. You get no sensory feedback when making adjustments, which is SUPER bad in a live setting. Unusable, I would say.
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I couldn’t agree more. I know there are some excellent sounding apps out there. Fuck trying to use them tho. I really, really hope Elektron don’t put a touchscreen on anything in the future.
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For sure, I have a bunch of synths on my iPad that I have opened only once or twice. I’m really tempted to buy a granular app, but I KNOW I can’t stomach more than a couple of hours on a touch screen.
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thanks, don’t mean to be HOT, but some of the replies are very blinkered
I do like Elektron a lot, but they have made some really bad commercial decisions and design decision in the past, they have history. They are not a Korg, a Yamaha or a Roland, they’re much smaller and are vulnernable because of this.
I can’t wait for their new CEO to take the reigns and see where the ship sails
we’re all musicians, I respect you all as musicians. I’ve been in tech for 45 years, I work for a fortune 500 company that invented the internet, and has had to re-invent itself to be a software company.
Elektron need to do something & fast
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I hate touch screen also, but to each their own preferences.
Many BlackBox and MPC Live/One owners seem to be happy enough to keep them.
I think it comes down to what you’re trying to accomplish with the interface, and, even without the haptic feedback, those products seem to succeed.
I hope Elektron doesn’t go down that road, but if they were to, I’d be interested to see what design choices they make to make it work.
But also, isn’t Apple abandoning the Touch Bar? I kinda see that as a death knell for small parts of an interface being a touch screen. Go big or don’t bother at all?
Also, thanks for the constant resume reading in your replies. It’s like Aaron Sorkin is writing your posts. So much exposition. 
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MPC live and BlackBox aren’t really synths tho, are they? They’re less played and more “used” if you know what I mean. A touch screen is fine when you’re trying to make DAW-lite in a box, terrible when you’re actually making split second decisions while performing.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Obvious troll is obvious.
You’re funny
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MPC not a synth??? it has
SSW and samples
4x velocity layers
Multitimbrality
LFOs
Filters
Envelopes
FX
no diff to any other digital synth currently incl the DN
It’s a workstation with a lot of functionality. It has those pads you’re likely to use when playing live, not the touch screen for obvious reasons. I’d much rather have the OT myself, or even a DT with an external synth of two.
Clicky buttons, buttons are OK, just wish they were silent
I admitted I was wrong with the ASM updates
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It’s cool, but you do come across really trolly at times.
Like, really trolly.
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I don’t disagree.
Just making the point that folks have made it work, perhaps not in the same context, but new ideas are born every day. Nothing is impossible. Heck, if you can get a backpack with a subwoofer in it, then maybe some kind of feedback infused touch screen is possible. Perhaps not today, perhaps not tomorrow, but some point. I don’t think that knobs and sliders and buttons are the end all / be all.
Accuracy is important, feedback is important. These are the challenges designers have to contend with, and I am optimistic about the future. I am most excited about what young designers, who have not grown up in an analog world, will come up with.
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Synth business is weird in that it’s both a tech industry as well as a creative industry. In a creative industry the most technically advanced rarely win the race, as a lot of technical innovation is just not the number one priority for the majority of artists. Again, there’s a reason why people love and use vintage synths or clones of. There was like 5 behringer clones on the Thomann top 10 best selling synths in both 2019 and 2020. Sure, they’re technologically advanced in the sense that B reverse engineered the old synths and recreated them with modern technology, but I doubt they would have been as succesful had they released a synth platform with touch screen, wifi and a monthly subscription to a B-store with dozens of classic synth engines to choose from. In fact it sounds pretty absurd.
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Sorry, just my weird/whacky sense of humour. not intended at all. Just see a lot of blinkered people on here, not willing to accept the potential for change, evolution or progress
plus Lockdown blues, tired of it all as you all must be too.
I’m off to learn pattern chaining and song mode on my Rytm MkII.
PEACE
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Agree totally, was just thinking today how bonkers the Japanese music corps are and how they make some really bonkers products.
Lots more creative feedback and user interactions required from them ALL, plus sensible design decisions.
reminds me of this story…
I think @echothief has a lot of valid points! When someone criticizes Mother Elektron in her own house, of course someone will start calling them a troll, no room for debate.
I for one would love to see Elektron do the ultimate integration between hardware and software.
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OB already has all the potential IMO, if they could just get it to work like it should. Or at least for the amount of integration that seems sensible to me. Touch screens, integrated wifi & an Elektron app store would probably not be the money making machine he thinks.
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