I think the devils in the details and increasingly semantics these days, for example successful compared to what and when?.. In the end it’s not really that complicated… I think how AI works is cool, but I if I had to wager I would bet that it won’t be any more good for musicians than the industry is now, and if anything magnify how the industry is now in an even more obscene way, and then people will be talking about pre-AI like it was the good ole days
but if AI turns out to be a bastion of wonderful for musicians and artist industry in general (if art even exist) then I will happily eat my words, or at least have my AI do it.
There is an argument that good AI music can be made, but only if the prompts are developed fully. I have a problem with this argument, because in my experience, human beings are generally imprecise when talking about musical concepts. And I assume AI, to some extent, has been trained on that imprecision. Fuzzy in, fuzzy out, with a lot of trial and error along the way.
Imagine going to Suno, typing in some vague prompt, then being given the message: Sorry, I can’t make any music out of your prompt. Please be more specific. Of course not, that’s not the way Suno works. It’s going to give you something. Its ability to take your dumb prompt and give you something makes it “smart”. And if you are stupid enough, you may conclude that you are smart.
When my sister was ten, I went shopping for her Christmas present. I went to the CD/record store and asked the clerk what a ten year old girl would like. He pointed to a giant display of C+C Music Factory CDs. When my sister opened her present on Christmas morning, she exclaimed, “How’d you know that’s what I wanted?” Because I’m smart.
yesterday I was in a jazz bar and I can safely say that I am calm about the music… never and no AI will be able to replace a musicians… but for primitive and chaotic random generated background music for services/videos and so on… why not…
in electronic music and effects maybe ai will help
but when it comes to live acoustic music performed professionally…it’s even funny to talk about Ai
I don’t see any difference in the context of AI-gen music.
music is somehow subject to form, everything has rules, even jazz, so random and chaotic means outside of form =“noise”
I am absolutely sure that this passion for generative art will very soon devalue itself.
Well not really, because random and chaotic are two different things.
Chaos is highly deterministic and random is indeterminate. If you put exactly the same data into a chaotic system twice you will get exactly the same output both times, not so with a random system.
The neural networks that AI is built upon are very much chaotic in nature, as they are required to be highly sensitive to changes in input. Highly complex, but ultimately predictable, which is where that uncanny valley feeling comes from with so much AI stuff, it’s just outputting based on initial conditions, which in this case is usually training + prompts (plus whatever other conditions exist behind the curtain).
The thing that worries me about all the arts, not just music, is that making boring commercial art is how many artists have traditionally subsidized their serious art.
Salman Rushdie, Don Delillo, etc. wrote ads until they got famous enough to write books for a living. Andy Warhol drew ads for shoes. Dorothea Lange was a retoucher at a photo shop.
Without commercial (“low”) art, I’m not sure how art for art’s sake sustains itself.
if my memory serves me right, Bach died in poverty due to financial problems…so don’t worry about art
all this talks about generative art is just pop-mass-art-market…it’s interesting, but nothing more. art usually does not bring money - it requires investment
when I replace the term of AI Art with the term AI Expression it adds a layer of clarity to how I’m inclined to think about it, allowing me to empathize a bit more with artist from all walks of the creative tapestry.
In the history of music, very little of it has been “described” into existence. Attempting to describe music is the basis of building a music theory. IMO learning about music theory is a good thing. So, the idea of a machine that converts linguistic, logical or mathematical expressions to music…is IMO a cool idea…not so much on the machine end of things, but rather in regard to a human’s skill using precise linguistic musical abstractions.
The problem is, our current implementation of that machine encourages most humans to be less articulate, rather than more.
such a good summation, but imo the real problem is that I don’t see any inclination that any encouragement to be more articulate than less is even on the horizon, or even within the scope of our collective consciousness to the point that kind of purpose is almost adversarial to the current idea of AI’s existence… I mean AI can’t arrive at that destination by running in the opposite direction … to give a more extreme and over the top example I bet we figure out how to create actual AI sentience , implement it in robotics, and then enslave the robots before we lift an earnest finger to do something positive with it… and if our track record is any indication we’d probably consider the enslavement of sentient AI as an actual positive notion like the more articulate you speak of… I don’t think people can create any actual AI that is not as bad as people themselves, nor do I think people have other people or an actual AI’s best regards in mind.
there are some unbelievably good people in world, but most are unbelievably indifferent. and as a species… forget about it.
yes, that’s what I thought, it’s all from the chaos theory of mathematics/terminology for describing and modeling…You are talking about a conventionally accepted description, but I meant a more general concept…these are different things
“a bit random” or “noise” not excluded in the theory of descriptionof complex dynamic systems.
again, this is all about another science
absolutely…and even if 90% of those employed in art lose their jobs or die in poverty, art will still develop and move forward with 1-10%…no need to worry about art)
