Vongon Replay 6-voice Synthesizer

Yeah, the biggest thing for me is that sacrificing velocity and aftertouch is something I am very rarely willing to do. In a tiny, portable, throw-it-in-your-backpack synth like the OP-1, OK, I can understand the Cherry-style keys as a reasonable compromise to save space and weight while still giving a decent-sized playing surface.

But on a bigger synth that is clearly meant to be played with two hands, I’m like “Give me velocity, or give me death!” I just can’t understand the Cherry keys. I want more expressive control of the sound. But that’s probably in large part because I started out in music as a cello player—I’m so deeply used to using my fingers to modulate the sounds I generate that it’s hard not to have that available.

So I’d have the same gripe with the Reface CS, since its velocity-sensitive keybed doesn’t actually impact the synth engine at all. I’d prefer its more readable control panel to the white-on-beige of the Vongon, though. That’s an interesting design choice on Vongon’s part.

I’m sure that for some people, that could be a feature. Having a synth whose labels seem to disappear might promote learning to play the instrument by muscle memory, just like one would learn a guitar (or a cello). But I play way too many instruments to be muscle-memorizing more than I have to at this point. I’d genuinely rather do menu-diving on a bright and contrasty screen than have to squint at a super-low-contrast knob-per-function panel.

Long story short, it’s just not for me.

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It just gets a little tedious to have a thread that is ostensibly about a synth, that ends up being a list of synths forum users would rather have instead, because [insert your reason here]. We get it, this synth will one day have an episode on Bad Gear. I suppose it’s too much to ask to hold it for when it shows up on that thread dedicated to poking fun at synths. I guess stirring the pot is better than radio silence to a point, but it starts to feel a bit mean spirited.

Your point? Surely you weren’t just trying to hurt someone’s feeling, no elektronaut user would be so petty.

I think Replay is exactly the type of gear people will be nostalgic for in 20 years. It’s aesthetic appeal is undeniable to me, it’s sound is simple and beautiful, and it’s customizable. It is admittedly limited, and eventually you might sell it for something else and become nostalgic for it.

Personally I started with the boutique range (SH-01a and JU-06) for a small synth to accompany my other tabletop gear and found the knobs and sliders to be way too small and fidgety, although the sounds was amazing. Then I switched to the Hydrasynth explorer, which allowed for a lot more sound design fun, but frankly was too large and 80% of the time was just a saw or pulse wave running into a low pass anyways. So the Replay is a return to form in terms of sound and form factor to the boutiques, but an upgrade in interface and polyphony.

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I think there is an aspect where velocity gets in the way if you are lets say plopping this on the blank spot on a bigger keyboard and just reaching over quickly where you might not really have the accuracy to play velocity well, but also its not like a velocity-less instrument like an organ is a lesser way to express yourself than a piano, As long as things feel solid and good to play people will find interesting ways to take advantage of an interface. Buchla LEM 218s are another non traditional control means that people found way to take advantage of and express in different ways.

Like you say probably not for you, but yeah I dunno I feel the same way when people cry bloody murder for MPE… like yes MPE is cool but no not everything needs it and people who choose instruments that don’t have it on there aren’t any more or less capable of writing interesting music.

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My participation in the thread started with simply noticing that someone was using the Replay alongside a desktop synth module that has a very similar sound. It was meant to be a helpful “Hey, if someone likes this sound and doesn’t need the keyboard” suggestion of an alternative.

No mean spirit behind it. I get that some people love the sound, design, simplicity of the architecture, etc.

I do think, though, that a synth that is getting as huge a marketing push as this one is warrants some thoughtful criticism of its pricing. It’s reasonable to ask: is the price a fair price for the instrument, or is it being propped up by the coordinated media blitz?

In doing so, I think there’s a clear and meaningful line between criticizing the product and criticizing the people who buy it. You’ll not hear me making any “synth for dentists” cracks about the people buying it, because everyone has their own sense of what is valuable to them and that is not for me to judge on their behalf.

We all make those decisions about value, though, based on the information we have about the products available and how they compare to one another. I’m sure many of you who bought the Replay did so with a sense of the context of other available instruments, and considered them in relation to one another. So please, don’t take it as mean-spirited when I’m adding information about alternatives. Knowing about other options might be just as likely to steer someone toward the Replay as away from it, as they realize nothing else scratches their personal itch the same way.

I think you’re quite right there. The aesthetic choices, in particular, are bold and not the same old, same old. I respect that boldness a lot. And lots of people now are nostalgic for older simple-architecture synths like the Juno.

I do expect this synth will live on for quite a while. It’s a “not for everyone” product, and that’s precisely why it’s going to be remembered. Not for everyone tends to mean really great for some.

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Comparing products on their specs only is unfair. You have to take into account where it comes from, who built it, what’s the story of the company, etc. Vongon is a 2 person company (husband and wife) and, with their previous pedal releases and their rigor, they’ve proved to have something different to bring in this industry. Now that I’m all grown up and have a little more money than before, I’m the kind of person who will invest in a quality company like this because their story appeals to me (it is the same thing when I bought Vermona products). This comment is not aimed at anyone, it’s reflecting my personal thoughts.

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Absolutely. I support people who have passion and love to go on their journey. Having bought the Vongon and the pedals i can say it feels good, and i too am in a position financially to do so. Like i supported Isla Instruments when they started. We need more people with passion rather than huge souless corporations .

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Ok, unexpected Saturday. My local store just called me, the Replay is there.

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Yaayy!! :partying_face:

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I’ve had some hands on time with the Replay today, and I’m impressed by it.

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I’m doing my first session right now with the Replay. First thing : I really like the colour of the Noise (filtered or not). Will report back on other things later.

Also, it sounds really good!

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who’s your local store?

Moog Audio in Montreal.

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  • I would have liked a little more space between the knobs.

  • For me, it’s really hard to read the labels. I had a hard time reading MIDI IN or OUT and Audio IN or OUT (don’t use a phone light :rofl:). I didn’t care about the labels in front, I was already comfortable with the UI (Juno style and I’ve watched some videos). Really easy to learn.

  • I’m really impressed with the Sound, it’s gorgeous.

  • The form factor/the size of the Replay will be perfect for my Live setup (that was the purpose).

  • The Sliders feel nice, they have the right resistance.

  • The knobs are stiff, I kind of like it.

  • I love the sound of the Filter and the Noise.

  • It’s really made to experiment. I had a great time tweaking it last night (sequenced by the Syntakt).

  • I had a great time playing it. Those Cherry MX keys feel nice.

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Can you please compare it a bit to SH 01a and Nymphes, which you have experience with if I recall correctly? Also, can please you share a photo with one or two Elektrons to get an idea of the actual size.

Edit: I haven’t watched or read anything on this synth so far. But as a big fan of SH 101 sound and interface, I was interested. Having watched the first 15 minutes of Sarah Belle Reid‘s video, I am no longer interested. The big draw of Juno an 101 to me is the limited engine that allows you to put all controls on the panel without getting overwhelmed and fitting them on a boutique without cramming it too much. Removing around a third of these controls and relegating them to shift plus a certain key is an instant turnoff for me personally. Especially if it’s things like the LFO waveform or some oscillator waveforms.

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Played with it for a while. It’s such a strange synth- so many things are baffling about it, truly! And it really does sound a bit magical and beautiful. Like it’s a giant sweet spot and has some magical dust in it.

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My partner recently got one and I’ve been trying it out. I have a Juno 6 and Polysix and the replay very much scratches the same itch. I’ve been using it with octatrack and/or Digitakt and it’s a very powerful combination.

It really does sound very very good, easily holding it’s own against to OG Rolands. Rich sounding.

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They’re all available on device via the Alt key (if not all most; I’ve yet to find one I needed the web thingy for). I labelled the alt functions on the keys for a few days until I became familiar with them.

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Yeah, there’s some magic in this thing, odd as it is.

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I‘ve also got it for a few weeks now and really enjoy it. Sounds nice, feels very immediate and simple, but in a way complex enough.

What bugs me though: It has no rubber feet. It’s pretty slippery and the screws on the bottom scratch over my desk.
Anyone has recommendations for some adhesive rubber feet or bands?

Search for “bumpons”. 3M has a wide variety that may work for you.

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