Recently learned that probability is affected by the random knob and this has opened up a whole new (random) world for me.
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Ive been jonesing for one of these for the last few months. However snagging a DT2 with its (im sure rather rudimentary) euclidian mode has calmed me somewhat. Im assuming Elektron will see how much love the T1’s been getting and try and develop the feature in future updates to snag some of its business.
But Im curious for anyone who’s got an Oxi and a T1. How close does the Oxi euclidian mode get to the T1’s feature set. Feels to me without any experience that the Oxi potentially has many of the features but without the performative “flow”…
The thing is, “euclidian” is a really small part of the T-1. It’s, like, maybe a 1/16th of the feature set. And, (in my very opinionated view), it’s there not because of anything inherently special about euclidian rhythms. Rather, they’re just the best tool to support the overall “pattern” mentality of the T-1 (see: Torso T1 Algorithmic Sequencer - #1301 by jemmons).
So even though the Oxi, Pyramid, Hapax, and now DT can generate and use euclidean rhythms, they’re still all step sequencers at heart. The T-1 approaches this in a different way, of which euclidean rhythms are just a piece.
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I would agree with this view even though I have had my t1 a very short time. The t1 is capable of quite a lot, and it is incredibly useful/functional. To me, the euclidean implementation on the AR overcomplicates some things without a commensurate pay off.
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They are nothing alike. T-1 is a much more focused instrument. For better and for ill depending on what you want.
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Sorry, I have not read all 1600+ posts in this thread, but can you record the MIDI generated by the Torso into the Elektron step sequencers?
(ie. using it as a studio/writing tool, rather than purely for performance)
I have recorded it i to Hapax. Has not tried with my Rytm or Digitakt though.
I would say that it depends on your Elektron device.
If you have another device that can output MIDI, you can try to send that to your Elektron device. If it can record that MIDI I am pretty sure it can record the T-1 MIDI.
Ive recorded it into Logic Pro just like any other midi controller device, very easily. Don’t know about Elektron boxes specifically
Yes it’s possible. But, as T1 send trigers, you will have to deal with time division and bpm to be sure that you can record totaly of your Torso midi. So Pyramid, Hapax and similars will be OK, for Elektron it will need some reflexion before recording
As this is something that resurfaces but has never been solved, I would add this:
-YES, you can record your pattern from T-1 into Elektron sequencers, just live record and it will grab the pattern. Of course, as it has been mentioned, you will have to adjust scale and pattern lenght to match the pattern from T-1.
BUT:
- I would like to know if anyone managed to NOT record MIDI input with live recording, as I would love to be able to use the Elektron Sequencer for modulation only purpose. I tried both with Digitone and AR mk1 but can’t seem to circumvent this problem.
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anyone tried out how well this one plays with the S4?
Yes, this works very well. I’ve had the best results syncing clock and playback from the T1 to the Elektrons, then arming them, to record and then pressing play on the T1 to start the sequence.
Only caveat is the 4 note limit on the Elektrons, otherwise it’s pretty tight. The other thing to watch out for is extreme note ranges, because on some devices the lowest notes do different things like trigger other tracks regardless of the midi channel you’re on (which has its pros and cons).
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Just did yesterday and it works really well, but I haven’t tried using the CC tracks yet for modulation.
Only thing I’ve found is that some sounds (I’m just messing around with the factory sounds for now) don’t always track well or are slightly off, or the sounds are so busy that playing a chord is almost too much noise and it needs to be tamed quite a bit. I don’t think those are issues exclusive to the S4 though.
I had an oxi and sold it. It’s really good but tough to remember all the shift commands. When I had it the random results were not as musical as the T1s.
Oxi is great for anyone who wants a daw piano roll style functionality in their hand. T1 has a better groove and musicality to it and it’s easier to control 16 separate channels if you want to.
I prefer the t1 to oxi and also to cirklon and pyramid.
They are all really great sequencers. Boils down to your needs.
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Slightly annoyed by this post as I’m now back to wanting a T-1.
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What are you trying to do specifically? I have a little experience with this.
Hey so 2 things. Numero Uno:
I discovered recently that even if you have transport send set up you can start the T1 without sending transport by doing “CTRL Play”. I have no idea why anyone would want to do this but I just discovered it yesterday. And Number Two:
I’m having a hell of a time with my T1 resetting to a really high BPM even if I save the bank at a lower (correct) BPM for the track i’m working on. It only happens after a day. If I turn the Torso off and come back to it that day it’s at the correct BPM. But something about waiting a day to come back to the track makes it reset to a higher BPM. Has anyone ever had this happen?
So I have my T1 controlling Digitone for exemple. I want to play the DN with the Torso but recording automations on the Elektron sequencer without recording the midi notes incoming from the Torso.
I don t know if it’s even possible.
Can you choose to not receive notes in the DT midi parameters?
I’m re-learning Torso after not using it for some time.
As always, I’ve struggled with two things:
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Default octave doesn’t trigger RYTM, you have to move Torso octave down by two and then you have two octaves below that and two octaves above that for chromatic sequencing. This always makes me go nearly mad before I figure it out.
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To understand the RATE function of the RANDOM, the most obvious demonstration is to use randomization of the MIDI channel. Especially with RYTM, where each drum track has it’s own channel. MMAL kit is ideal for this. You can for sure do it with any other gear, as long as you have a couple of MIDI channels downstream from Torso.
Put 16 pulses on the Torso track, set that track CHANNELs to 1 and 6, set RANDOM to MAX, assign RANDOM to CHANNEL with -6… now all RYTM tracks are playing randomly triggering two pads at the same time. Now you can start messing up with RATE and hear and see, whether each Torso step triggers different pads (with RATEs closer to 0) or whether multiple consequent steps trigger the same pads (with RATES closer to 1).
Important note to remember - only some controllers respond to rate (page 151 in manual), of which MIDI channel is by far the easiest to demonstrate RATE in practice.
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