Hello everybody,
i´ve seen no infos about OB plans, nothing.
To “Not” advertise OB for TV aslong it´s not there makes sense to me of course.
But lets look at it from the other side:
Is there anything in the play here that would lead to the speculation that TV can´t have OB ? To me, No, there is nothing. Seems legit to me “to think” that OB will come at a later stage to TV.
prove me wrong or double that sentiment please 
If there are no plans for OB then elektron is working backwards and I simply can’t see that being possible.
When I see an early Q4 release which is a little light on features, I think they’re just giving in to the trend in tech fields to release a product at like 85-90% completion.
Fully functional, not crippled, but missing some essential draws.
They’re doing this so that it’s available for the largest shopping holidays world-over and so that they’re getting the product into the hands of consumers early enough to have a buzz and have people excited enough to spend the money during commerce season.
To me, that says OB is right around the corner but that it’s tricky for this machine, which may be in part due to some special plans, hopefully for multi-device interconnectivity, but at a minimum that this device itself requires some care to get the plugin fully functional and in an acceptable state for release.
I don’t think they’re withholding it because they want to build hype or anything, just that they pushed their hardware release schedule up to make this available for holiday shopping and within the current fiscal year.
These are all opinions (of course) so don’t read too much into that, but I agree that while it’s not mentioned, that it is coming.
yeah, i understand all of that. I should have made it more specific:
Fact is, in the previous discussions some people mentioned that the TV even “can´t” have any OB. Due to its track layout or something like that.
I would like to work towards to prove these points, or to have them go off the table by precise counter argumentation.
I´d like to steer the discussion towards “discussionable facts”, based on what we already know. We know the whole track layout, inputs, outputs, etc. for example. There is nothing more we need to know to come to conlusions i´d say. It´s just not me fit enough to get to a conclusion vs. OB.
So just vs. the theorie of it: is OB “possible” vs. TV or is it not ?
That´s the core of this topic
This thread is not necessarily about to speculate what elektron will do. Not in first place. First: is OB possible vs. TV ?
if yes, then i would guess that any sane man would think that elektron will bring it on at some point in time. Whenever this is. (timespeculation is not the core of the topic)
Then you probably need to tag people who got the device early otherwise this is just another speculation topic.
I understand that you want answers, but the device dropped yesterday and thus nobody has actual hands-on experience with it.
Otherwise, you’ll need to cite the specific posts and where it’s been discussed so that everyone can be on the same page with you.
I’ve been following the topic for over a year and haven’t heard any of what you’re talking about.
It doesn’t mention OB in the manual as far as I can tell and seems to be the same deal as the Octatrack at least for the time being. I’ve never dealt with OB myself, sort of defeats the object of buying hardware getting away from the computer.
I think it’s just to avoid what happened with the DT2 and DN2, where they were advertised as Overbridge enabled long before Overbridge was released for the devices.
If the rationale is that it runs on the same platform as OT it would make sense why someone might say it could be incompatible with OB, but I think that if they made a point of calling it a new platform in the announcement when it was just a husk on top of the OT’s frame then that would be a bit of a stretch and I don’t think they would do that just based upon device width alone.
I’d be more likely to agree that they don’t want to get a bunch of less than subtle reminders that OB isn’t ready yet, like DT2 and DN2.
Who knows though, I’ll listen to facts.
I´m not here to speculate if OB comes or not. My question hovers around the “is OB possible for the TV ?” From a theoretical standpoint, yes or no ?
if the answer is yes, can i make my own speculation vs. OB in private for mysself
The required facts we need to know are there. Trackcount, audio routing, audiopath to a -theoretical- OB. The main part of all that is cast in HW, and the HW details are out.
anybody fit to do the math on that ?
so… …purely unaccurate conjecture based on their previous management of audio / fx outs.
8 x 8 poly (stereo) … 64 stereo audio streams just for the basic audio .
plus multiple buss FX (if theyre unique audio streams)
plus buss outs
plus main out
the 64 audio streams would cover all types of tracks … whatever someone uses.
plus all the various FX streams from tracks, buss, main ???
plus midi
theres a lot. … if someone can add more accurate into thatd be great.
i dont know usb C bandwidth or other gear thats going many many usb audio streams like motu/arturia audio interfaces.
perhaps theyll compromise on unique FX outs etc.
I’m just glad they gave me 3 stereo outs. That’s enough for me to work with. Overbridge always is fiddly and adds a ton of latency.
That said, I bet this product will get it at some point.
If something emerges, I think we’re talking about a different platform.
It won’t be called Overbridge, it’ll be more like a mini DAW in order to easily manage all of the tracks.
That said, the way the USB’s phrased as class compliant and welded to the stereo inputs is a bit concerning.
Perhaps it’s just a stereo input that’s limited, and the output will be more fully featured? One can only hope.
We are at least able to print out of the 4/6 outs, and actually a benefit of not have the cross fader and morphing makes that a bit more manageable.
ok, interesting thoughts.
i made the track count different so far (just very superficial)
Ths should reflect how the machine works. i can´t see there more.
this fits vs. my math into a 16 stereo track scheme.
OB can do 16 stereo tracks ?
Your right about amount of streams … there’s no need to stream out each note / polyphony … though perhaps unique streams on sub tracks would be ideal … but I think that might be where they compromise … that would start to increase the streams quite a lot . ( eg if all 8 tracks are configured as sub tracks , then you get 64 if they’re all unique )
Digitone 2 does 16xstereo plus delay,reverb etc etc main outs , you’ll see if you open the overbridge app ( don’t need any gear plugged in )
If it were restricted - ideally the user can select from a big list , and choose 16 streams of their choice ( if 16 is the limit ) … grouping and configuring outputs is already done to some degree to help with ableton’s limit
A lot of work is likely to be dealing with the ui too .
“I have a DAW full of FX and synths but for some reason want my projects to depend on a particular piece of physical hardware that will also add latency” is a pretty strange opinion to hold when you think about it.
But it seems to sell Elektron boxes, so who am I to judge?
There’s no need to start rumors and just work yourself up about this.
it will support ob, they haven’t even released the iOS app yet.
If it bothers you not having answers to invented problems, nothing else we can say will convince you 
You’ll see talk or video of the OB workflows before it’s out if something isn’t already online somewhere I’ve missed.
Hopefully not seen as a diss, this is just GAS pangs manifesting worry where there is nothing to worry about.
I’ve been muting and downvoting and blocking Things Related To Current Events rapidly, but it has not escaped my notice that a relatively friendly argument about art supplies is probably a really great way to blow off some steam.
I could be wrong here, but WOULD it be 64?
Its not like each individual voice would be its own stream. It would be like the digitone(mk1) wheres its just 4 stereo outs 1 for each track- not voice?
Is my logic off?
IIRC OB2 is coming to TV? Just didnt make it to launch, as has typically been the case
wouldnt read too much into it
Unfortunatey it will be more like 17x stereo tracks (8 audio, 4 bus, 3 send, 1 mix, 1 input). The fact that all subtracks are mixed together before the insert FX and share the same send levels and routing clearly indicates this.
You’re correct , my maths was wrong … in later posts I correct my assumptions
I’m sure it’ll turn up eventually .