With the simple option of packaging samples in the project folder, I’d be happy. Adding the ability to copy patterns and kits between projects would be great. Until that works, I don’t think I’ll use Tonverk to create tracks from scratch. Hence the idea of using it only as a stem player. The effects are very good and can add variety when combined with some simple sequences
Not being able to move patterns between projects is very painful.
Sometimes while jamming I’ll come up with something that isn’t a great fit for the current project, maybe a DnB groove comes out while working in a techno sketch project.
Or the concept of having a sketchbook template project that you can jump to inorder to try ideas you’ll later promote to a more performance oriented project.
On the Digitone for example, I have an “education” project I like to put patterns into when I’m learning a new concept or trying new ideas. Sometimes I really like the results and take those pattern sketches to a different project for further development.
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Yes, the Digitone II’s management system, while not perfect, lets you put together a set of patterns in just a few minutes. Something like that would work for Tonverk; I’m not asking for anything too sophisticated. haha
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Has any Elektron box allowed moving patterns between projects?
In the 11 years I’ve been using these boxes I’ve never once needed to do this, or seen anybody complain about the lack (if such a lack existed), but I see it all the time with the Tonverk.
*Edit: I guess this further evidences a perspective divide between studio compositional types (me) and live performance oriented approaches (you?). Putting myself in your shoes I can see the use case necessity.
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Digitone and Digitakt II have this feature. Copy pattern - open project where you want to paste it - choose slot - paste pattern. With Digitakt II you also have to load the kit used; with Digitone II this is not necessary.
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Works on Syntakt too.
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Does anybody know if the underlying hardware supports USB Host mode? I know the Tonverk currently lacks the ability to be a host, but uncertain whether that can ever be patched in (it all depends on the hardware).
Since it’s a Linux platform, I would assume so. But I’m no expert.
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Linux systems can certainly be USB hosts. (See for example Pisound.)
I think Octatrack is the ideal use case if thats all you want to use Tonverk for. Many people use Octatrack specifically like this for live sets.
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All of them ? 
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Sure, but to be clear, this all depends on the hardware being present to accommodate the code. So yes, Linux means putting said code in could be achieved, but that code won’t do anything without the hardware. Or, at least this is how I understand it (it’s not entirely software).
I use this feature all the time on my DN2.
Funny, I had always just assumed that loading a project purged anything copied into ram.
Oh well, as I said it has never been necessary for me. If I started a track that didn’t fit the current project I’d just save it as a new project, and come back to it later (deleting out what I didn’t need from the old project when I started developing it).
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Right I was just responding to the comment as stated.
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Why complain when you have the option
Huh? I wasn’t. I was wondering why all the complaining given I didn’t think it had been an option.
I now see I was wrong, but the workaround I mentioned seems like it would cover most use cases (except where you’d want to combine patterns from multiple projects, perhaps for a live set, but that also would be cumbersome to “copy, load, paste, reload project,” etc).
e.g. If I make a cool pattern that I want to develop into a new project just save the project, then save again as a new project, reload into the old project. This would necessitate a bit more pruning (old patterns in the new project, the new pattern in the old project), but I suspect the Tonverk allows for it today.
I’ve never copied patterns over different projects either. Certainly see why you’d want to though.
Live, I more or less use my TV for stem playback, which I’ve also done on an OT and an MPC in the past. TV has been my favorite in many ways for this task. The MPC was faster for the initial setup of a live set, but once everything is loaded in, TV is pretty great for this. I don’t record full length tunes, just 4-16 bar stems so I can jump around and improvise arrangements on the fly. Love it
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No, it’s not the only thing I want to use it for. It’s just what I feel confident using it for right now. It’s a personal quirk of mine, but I still use my Blackbox more for creating simply because I have all my samples saved in project folders. And the Digitone II’s sequencer is more reliable for me at the moment. For now, Tonverk is still just something I use to mix finished tracks and play around with them.
I know the Octatrack is better for that, but it’s not better in most cases. I hope Tonverk develops further, and I’ll sell most of my other gear.
Yea the potential is definitely there. Personally I think Tonverk and Octatrack are an excellent pairing as the octatrack allows for better live performance FX with the scenes and cross fader, and the four outs of tonverk mean you can send a stereo pair of melodic tracks and a stereo pair of drum tracks to octatrack and run FX on them separately. Plus Octatrack can give you a few extra tracks where you can do timestretching and chopping much better than tonverk. And octatrack can handle midi sequencing with its 8 dedicated tracks instead of eating a bus or audio track on tonverk.
If tonverk receives some choke groups on subtracks and ctrl+all functionality then as a standalone device it would be pretty great.
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