The only wireless headsets that will have adequate latency would be 2.4ghz dedicated receivers that have close to 10ms response times. Stuff that is used by professional gamers etc, like their wireless mice and keyboards have measurable latency that is ON PAR or faster than some cheap wired mice in terms of click latency for example.
Are you plugging wireless receiver into the Tonverk to measure latency and using headset wireless? Or are you plugging the headset USB wired connection in? I think the best approach is to just always use the headphone jack or audio out connection and you won’t have latency.
I think this is just confusing to people. Maybe elaborate on what your test is? Otherwise you are making it sound like Tonverk has 20 ms latency when using a midi controller or something which is not the case at all
You misinterpret. If wireless can do 20ms a hardwired connection should be lower. This is the only measurement I want to present. TV is just an example.
Yes I am still confused. What are you testing? What is the latency?
I use a midi controller with Tonverk all the time and monitor via wired headphone jack. There is definitely not 20 ms latency. I play on the beat without issue and I’m very sensitive to midi latency. Above 10ms in Ableton and I immediately know. 5-6 ms is acceptable to me and feels close to acoustic piano.
Yes, hardwire connection for audio IS still faster than wireless. Which is why most people don’t use wireless audio in highly latency sensitive scenarios. Even from my example before pro gamers still prefer wired headsets as the audio still takes too long whereas wireless mice have been adopted solely because the latency is like 1 ms due to less data having to be registered and encoded.
Anyways just confused why you were making a point about wireless audio in the Tonverk thread or maybe I missed a conversation above about this that gives it context
One interesting thing I’ve observed is that in some patterns, after power-up there will be a very high level of quiescent, which then goes away if I double-stop to stop all sounds and then once I am playing again it’s fine. I haven’t taken the time to hunt it down a lot but if you have high noise try doing a double-stop and see if that kills it.
Grain amount is the maximum grains that can be played at the same time.
Density is the rate (rytm) at which new grains are generated and is also related to size. Below 64 they will overlap and at 127 they will wait until the previous grain lenght (size) is completed to generate a new grain.
You will get a good feeling by experimenting with density and size with only one or two grains to get a better understanding of their relationship
Johngredin nailed it, emphasis on his experimentation tip at the end, but I have to ask - which modes did you have in mind where you’re not noticing a difference?
@Anarchosyn it was more of a theoretical question from reading the manual. I was messing with it last night and falling into a “how does this all work” situation. Haven’t used it that much.
On the digitakt if I want to loop a sample indefinitely I set it to loop then length to infinite and lock it to first trig only. The tonverk can’t set to infinite so after 128 steps it stops. Am I missing something or is there a different way?
Am I crazy or does quantization work differently on TV than on other Elektrons? I regularly live record a simple melody in quantized live recording that sounds not even close to what I was playing when the sequencer plays it back. I made sure that the bar length is correct.
So far, I’ve mainly noticed this happening with rather complex multisamples that I made with plugins that had a lot of latency, so I assumed there’s latency on the sample that isn’t audible when playing live but is noticeable when sequenced. But now it has happened with simpler samples and factory content as well.
Anyone else had this experience? I assume it quantizes to 1/16th like other Elektrons do by default (with TV not having an option to change this)?
What would people’s choice be for one non-Elektron synth to partner the TV? I’m thinking for sampling not running alongside it. Something flexible, hands on, preferably with a keyboard for live recording of little chunks etc. A good onboard sequencer would be a bonus.
I have a DN2 but prefer to work with Elektron boxes standalone (I think)
I look forward to hearing others responses. I also like working with elektron boxes alone. Two elektron sequencers is too much for me. I think the Manatee would be good because it can create a huge range of traditional or experimental sounds and it has independent outputs and is multitimbral, so it could be combined into TV and into your main board simultaneously and discretely. However, to give further input perhaps folks would need to know more your intentions. I think TV is great with a number of highly experimental and unsequenced inputs for example.
Edit: on second thought mention of want for a keyboard + seq does already give lots of information in lieu of specification on genre. Scratch the above, no keyboard there!
I’d get a Take5 or Teo5, Fourm or Moog Messenger. Or an Roland SH 01a7Ju06a if you like that sound and want something compact, if it needs keys, that 101 clone from Donner.
There about a bazillion synths out there, and you’ll also find close to a bazillion threads about which synth to pair with X.
But I’ve been loving Hydrasynth Explorer latley. It’s cheap, sounds really good and the hardware is solid. If I we’re rich I’d want to try Sequential Fourm, or anything from the Prophet family.
