Tonverk: User Thread

With you! TV doesn’t sit right in my brain.

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Anyone had an issue sending and receiving MIDI over USB?

Awesome! Would you mind sharing how you did the setup? I struggle with touchOSC coding

Yeah, here’s what one fader looks like:

Basically, you add the component, and then scroll down to the messages section, expand MIDI, and set the channel and controller (CC).

NPRN is a little more complicated, but it’s doable through scripting and I have an example script if you’re interested.

You can technically create all of the faders using a single GRID component, but I chose to do it the tedious way so I could have more control over the layout. If you do it the grid way, you need to set the channel and controller type to INDEX and then enter the min and max values beside Scale. It’s a bit more confusing but will probably make sense after doing it a couple times.

I’ve also attached my current template.

Tonverk.tosc (2.1 KB)

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Thank you! Will look into it and try to learn

The more I play with my TV the more I start thinking maybe I don’t need my OT anymore. I haven’t used it much in the last year but I have a sort of sentimental attachment to it. Has anyone been thinking the same thing? Even my wife said the OT is like part of the family.

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Same here. Sold mine after 2 days :+1:t2:

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I sold my OT to buy the TV and I don’t regret it (yet). Yeah I miss the time stretching and slicing but hopefully they’ll add that eventually, and even if they don’t, there are workarounds. Yeah I miss the crossfader but TBH I prefer having multiple macros instead of a single crossfader, and I can do that with a MIDI controller.

What I don’t miss is the rigid project hierarchy, not being able to easily move patterns or banks around, obtuse design decisions, excessive hidden shift functions, having to give up an FX slot just to have a filter, etc. etc.

The TV doesn’t solve all of these perfectly (yet) but it’s a step in the right direction for me personally.

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Is there any way to apply FX to only the wet portion of an FX bus or send? This would really open the door for creating different types of delays and reverbs.

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Trying to make it sound good (1 week after)

subjective user report, personal opinions, might be in part result of user error and personal skill issues

It really is easy to make the TV sound interesting. However, I do have really a hard time to make it sound good. Like good in base response etc. The FX are all interesting, but too stereo sometimes (would be too much stereo for vinyl cutting?). The filter bank does something but not enough. I really miss a good parametric EQ per channel or at least as master FX. The filters of the DT haven’t been that good (in comparison) but I really think the TVs are worse. Maybe it is that one filter fits them all approach. Some sound sculpting parameters have disappeared (BRR, SRR) and are now in an own effect that has to be loaded if one wants that.

When sampling from S2400, and resampling the pattern through S2400 and recording this one through analog filters it sounded ok. So I think I will hookup the TV with its 6 outputs to an analog mixing console and see where I get from there.

Good: multiple delays with different settings, and more granular delay settings. Missing: direct delay to reverb.

I really love that it is stereo sampling, but mono-compatibility should be somehow built in on the path. And of course mono sampling.

What I still don’t get: ok, this is not OT, but would (re)sample start with pattern start (per play button or midi slaved) and selection of steps (any number!) or bars (any number, not only powers of 2!) really be that hard? And auto zero crossing? Especially with the sub tracks, different versions of the pattern as sample would really be great (or parts like BD, bass line, HH toppings etc.).

(I would eat rec trigs and record/playback machines for this, although I think a simple resample pattern per button function would be much easier to implement and use :wink: )

When changing patterns (even just variations in sound (I really think, with those possibilities, a scene or part approach with 8 or more settings would really have been great, nevermind), it sometimes gives nasty sounds in transition. (Pattern the same, just different sound settings).

The memory and recall function is nice. I did not find a way to go back (like back and forth between two settings). I thought that was possible with DT, but maybe I am wrong.

So all together: I keep exploring. It is great for non-base stuff. And non warm dirty harmonic distortion stuff. And with some analog outboard equipment (filter, EQ) everything might be solvable.

Haven’t tested the song mode yet. Hope it includes mute states and transposition of selected tracks.

Polyphonic sampling and chords are great.

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I’m finding this kinda frustrating to use. Just the latency of running audio through the thing is brutal, makes it hard for me to play. Ppl were saying that it’s currently around 20ms but that on this kind of Linux platform, it would be hard to get much lower than 10ms? That sucks…

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I’m of several minds about this…I sold my OT to help fund the TV. OT is still the king in many ways, but I was barely using it except to do some quick sound design on from time to time. I wouldn’t dare compare the TV to the OT because nothing compares to the OT for what it’s great at. The TV does scratch a lot of the same itches though.

My biggest ‘problem’ is I prefer the sound of the TV so much that I’m taking lots of tunes out of my live sets because they just don’t sound as good as the stuff I’ve been making on the TV recently

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But they even made the startup screen look like an old TV, and it says “TV” at the top :joy: But I mean call it what you want :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I shall… TON TON TON!!

I have spoken.

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Notverk? :joy:

99%Verk

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I am really digging this machine, but I have to say the current lack of page loops or trig previews makes the 256 steps tricky.

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Good news - no audible gap when changing patterns - and yes - it can do EBM! =)

Coming from the discussion on elektronauts (Roland TR-1000 User Thread - #20 by Dataline) about audible audio gap when changing kits on the Roland TR-1000, I revisited TV to test just that again (in the first tryout I was surprised about uneven changes and drops in sound). I could not reproduce this in a new project with fresh samples etc. It behaves like a bigger and better digitakt. If FX are too different from one pattern to the other, there might be some unpleasant transitions, but not in this video. Got carried away by the EBM (melody made by two LFOs - one modulates tune, the other the other).

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Thanks for demonstrating that

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I figured the ‘saturator delay’ would be similar to the delay found on the digitone, but it’s not. It adds a noticable bit of saturation whereas the digi delay sounds very basic in comparison.

This is with the parameters matched by value, not ear:

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Oh very interesting!