Same here, definitely doesn’t take that long with mine.
Can we get a confirmation from someone at Elektron whether the coating has changed? Why do they even need to be coated, is my second question.
I think it’s very likely it’s the same coating, feels and looks the same. And it’s not an issue for all users but for some. I have never had any issues with the buttons on my Elektrona but I understand it sucks big time for those who experience it. Luckily the buttons are easy to replace It actually happened to my PS5 controllers wich I hardly ever use but two out of three of them got sticky sticks so they whew unusable for me so I have to probably get something to put ontop of the sticks since you can’t replace them. Now I actually bought the Dual sense edge mainly because the sticks can be replaced
I’m guessing that rubber coating has only been tested in Scandinavian weather… where it seems to hold up perfectly
for what have you used the 2nd usbc port?
tried with zoom h1 as external mic and to send midi. nothing worked yet.
any hint?
thx in advance.
TV is not a USB Host device (at least, for now), so it wont work with USB client devices
My not-so-educated guess:
I believe there has been a fundamental change in the underlying architecture. While the Tonverk is operated like any other Elektron box, it is known that in runs Linux. What we’re seeing and using is a piece of software that very much resembles the older boxes, on different kind of computer hardware housed in a familiar design. It is not as immediate and reactive, because there are more things going on between hardware and software.
I know Elektron are working hard on fixing the midi jitter and getting other bugs out of the way, but I really hope they are able to reduce the audio input latency soon, as well. I played some guitar and bass guitar into the TV yesterday and it’s impossible to stay in time with the 20 ms input latency.
Same with live recording trigs into the sequencer via USB midi. A single usb-c cable and my OP-1f is all it takes for audio and midi. Very convenient. But it’s also impossible to record anything to the sequencer in time, some steps are even a 16th off.
I love the TV and all it can do, but if this isn’t fixed, it has to go back, unfortunately.
They look similar. Feel a bit different. But I rather think this is because they are new and the buttons of my other machines have different degrees of stickyness.
Are you talking about the A/B inputs or USB?
Haven’t measured it, but unfortunately both seem to have about the same amount of latency.
It is independent of heat, UV, moisture. I suspect some chemical softeners in nearby plastic bags. Or composition of the coating itself. Also not all button on one device are affected the same way. It happened to a bought new and living in the dark cool closet device, too.
If it happens - exchange, or just rub it off and then they are good through eternity. (Did that on some buttons of my second hand DT, looks good, feels good, too.)
Elektron could make some money by selling uncoated editions of the buttons
That’s really bad. For USB audio I always expect latency. But with analog inputs, on a device with so many effects and much potential for realtime processing, any latency should be unnoticeable.
Exactly. I haven’t tested routing the audio input to any of the TV’s FX. So I actually don’t know if that would introduce even more latency problems.
Or… they could provide the best experience out of the box without extra cost and hassle, since they already charge a premium price.
Same goes for any gear company really. Unless there’s an obvious reason to use this kind of coating for something like achieving a good grip, it should be avoided.
Sampling from and recording to iOS device
20ms is way too much
Yes, I didn’t want to be that obvious and critical, rather pack the idea in some humour Seems like it decompressed correctly
Depends. If one uses it as biiig brother of DT, and one box alone, it is not an issue.
It becomes an issue when syncing boxes and using the input for live FX etc.
Suggestion: track delay +/- per track, delay +/- midiclock
- (perhaps easier to implement than to shift programming to direct chip programming),
- would at least solve some of the issues - and - two flys with one stone or so
- microtiming groove magic with track delay/prelays
Will see how it will work when I exchange the DT in my MD-DT couple for TV.
I’ve decided to hold off on purchasing Digi boxes due to concerns about the buttons’ plastic coating potentially becoming sticky. While some users report no issues, the possibility of this problem is enough for me to avoid it entirely. I have no interest in dealing with mitigation for a product like this, as I believe it should be free of such flaws. This stance might seem strict to some, but I’m not willing to risk dealing with sticky, goopy plastics. I hate that stuff so much. Computer keyboards, other music boxes, for example, function perfectly without this type of coating and remain reliable for years.
I’d greatly appreciate confirmation from @Elektron on whether the buttons are the same as those on the Digi MK2 boxes. I’d rather know upfront as I my heart wants this box (my mind does say no now).