Tonverk: technical Q&A

Current status on latency?

I am wondering what is the current measured average latency for tonverk in multiple scenarios:

Tonverk as master sending midi out and receiving audio back in - is there a delay?
Tonverk simply receiving audio like an fx box and processing it - is there measurable latency
Tonverk as midi slave - is the midi latency different?

I have heard a lot about this topic but the information is scattered.

If anyone has any information or testing for these scenarios on current patch please share it here. If we have clear measures of latency that impacts usability of the device then I think this is an issue that as a community we should tell elektron needs another looks and more improvement.

The measures I have seen seem to place audio input and midi slave as 10 Ms latency which is fairly high and can result in tracks sounding quite off

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I haven’t tried measuring latency directly. But I find it difficult to layer kicks and drums between Tonverk and the Digitone 2 if Tonverk is the master. It always sounds a little off.

I end up using either one or the other for the drum tracks but not both at once.

If I have both run independent clocks and I nudge the sequencers in place it’s less of an issue. But it’s fiddly to have to do every time you press play.

EDIT: I haven’t tested this since the latest update, I tried this morning to generate an audio recording example and both kicks and rolling high hats are very tight between the two devices, DN2 as slave sending audio through the TV.

Ignore my original post, I think this has been resolved after the 1.3 update.

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Interesting! I’m using the same combo and I haven’t heard any noticeable latency between them, both TV as master and slave.

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Are you layering drums though? Place a kick on both devices and then see if it’s perfectly aligned if you want to actually measure that. If you just have one doing drums and the other on melodic its much harder to tell and less of an issue but still the timing isn’t tight.

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Are you feeding audio of digitone back into TV or both going to mixer? Curious if that affects your test?

I tested this and it’s tight - if the TV is slaved AND receiving the external audio you want to be in synch with.

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I’ve edited my post.

I tried again this morning in the same setup you described. Kicks and hats were very tight between the two devices. But it also seemed tight with Tonver as the master in my test.

I was exploring so many of the other updates since 1.3 dropped that I failed to test this again before making that comment.

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Can anyone tell me if you paired with an Octatrack would you use it as a Master or Slave?

In live recording mode (record-play), can you play using the keyboard without recording length (edit: note length)?

Can you delete all plocks of a certain value (like note length for example) on a sequence at the same time?

In Live Record mode, hold NO and press the encoder under which you wish to erase the plocks. Maintain this the whole sequence if you want to erase them all.

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I did not know this, this is great!

This is excellent for my use case as Ableton live/P3SA will be the master clock for TV and eurorack. TV will be receiving clock and aux out from mixer to record anything around the studio. My TV arrives on Wednesday and I’m really looking forward to it.

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My bad, it doesn’t work.
I thought I had tested this, though.

One thing that also should work is switching Grid Lane to “P-locks” and clear them, but it clears the whole sequence.

I’ll declare these as bugs.

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Hello, I’m new to Tonverk and I’m having trouble with some of the features.
I can’t apply effects to just a single sample; the FX are being applied to the master output.
How can I do this?

Secondly, I can’t get the arpeggio mode to work.
I activate it and adjust the 16 sliders, but I can’t play or get a note to sound. The ARP mode is set to true.

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Each Track has two FX slots, you need to apply your FX there.

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What do you mean by “adjust the 16 sliders.” Without touching them at all, it should work just like a normal arpeggiator.

Couple of basic things to also check:

  1. Make sure you’re on the right track that you want to arpeggiate. (I make this mistake ALL the time - accidentally find that I’m on an FX send or Bus by accident.)
  2. Make sure the AMP Attack setting is at zero, so you aren’t accidentally trying to arpeggiate a pad sound, for example.
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When you press ARP, you see the 16 sliders corresponding to the note offset for each note in the ARP mini-sequence.

For a “normal” arp, they should stay to 0 and you should hear the notes that are pressed play in cycle (except for the random arp).

These offset are used when you press only one note and want several notes to be played. It gives interesting (as in “potentially unexpected”) results if you have a couple notes or more.

Yeah! That’s why I was asking what they were moving them for, just to troubleshoot what the issue might be. Best to start by leaving them all in their default settings while working this out. :slightly_smiling_face:

I’m talking about the white squares on the screen in the ARP mod

Yes! Have you tried using the Arp without moving any of those? Just leave them in the default setting to start. Trying to help figure out what the issue here might be by eliminating variables.