Tonverk speculations

Please!

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Same. Gets too complex for me, and too expensive. I always just use one at a time anyways.

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To add fuel to the speculation, interestingly, if you look at the trademark application, they amended it one day after filing to change the identification from:

Downloadable computer software for use in connection with making and recording music; embedded computer software for music machines; downloadable computer software for music machines; computer software for musical instruments; Electric adapter cables; Audio cables; Musical instrument connectors; Musical instrument adapters; downloadable software for use in connection with sound recording; downloadable audio recordings in relation to sound packs; apparatus and instruments for processing sound; Sound amplifying apparatus; Bags adapted for holding computers; Bags adapted for holding electronic equipment

to

Musical synthesizers; Music synthesizers; Electronic synthesizers; Electronic drums; Robotic drums; Drums; percussion instruments; Drum machines; Electronic musical instruments; Mechanical, electric and electronic musical instruments; Computer controlled musical instruments; Electronic musical apparatus and instruments; Musical instruments controlled by microprocessor; Electronic musical keyboards

I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t really know how these things work – if the initial description was too broad (ie the stuff about bags adapted for holding computers), or if the downloadable computer software part wasn’t necessary if filing a trademark for something that’s broadly a synth of some format.

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They might still have time to add analog filters, VCAs, and overdrive to Tonverk and I really think they should.

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Would you also like to have parameter slides? :kissing_heart:

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MOTION LAYERS are adequate.

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My personal wish for an Elektron box is based off the challenges I’ve had with the existing boxes so far. I love all the current Digi boxes for what they are, personally, but for live use the lack of physical outputs is frustrating to say the least. I also rarely use overbridge with my Syntakt to record into the computer because having the effects and (especially) the FX Block on separate channels rarely works out so well. I wind up putting together an arrangement in song mode and recording the tracks into Logic one at a time.
So my dream machine would be an Overbridge enabled mixer. Throw in OT style scenes and a bunch of fx while we’re at it.

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Just a thought:
Could it be that they intentionally leaked the Tonverk, so that those who really want a Tonverk type machine would not buy the DN2 and then get pissed-off when the Tonverk ships, half a year later?

We don’t even know what a tonverk type machine is. Could be a sampler, a granular synth, or something entirely different. Elektron is still a company trying to earn a profit. Doesn’t make much sense to me to release a product with the intention of not trying to sell it. By your logic, the DNII should have been leaked before they announced the DTII.

No, because the DN2 and DT2 are completely different machines and the DN2 doesn’t supersede the DT2 in any way.

Loopop’s job is to go through hardware at breakneck speeds, he demos dozens of instruments every year. No Elektron box can be fully learned in two weeks. People who learn to use the Elektron boxes tend to love all the key combos and shortcuts. At some point, they become intuitive, but that’s more time than Loopop can dedicate to one single piece of hardware.

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Well, how do you know if tonverk is completely different from the DNII or if it supersedes it? Or does it supersede the DTII? Like I said, we don’t even know what the tonverk is exactly and can only speculate.

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Nice! Still using my 8ktakontrol for live sets. Really high quality product, built like a tank and those faders are perfect - shame they weren’t able to dent the market much. Sure there are a lot of fader controllers out there, but aesthetically and functionally this was always my favourite.

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I can’t help but think that tonverk was just a prototype and nothing more. Maybe the timing of the ‘leak’ was coincidentally useful to elektron as it took the heat off them as they were preparing for the release of the DN2. I think even someone from elektron jumped in on the thread and said something along the lines of prototypes get knocked up all the time and that it doesn’t always mean that they lead to anything past the prototype stage, which kind of sounded like they were confirming that it was just a prototype idea, and nothing more.

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I can’t really see anything useful for Elektron about the leak, tbh. If anything, they’ve lost potential customers, as people might rather wait until the tonverk is announced before they buy any of the current products.

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Just look at the panel graphics. The Tonverk has almost exactly the same set of labeled functions as the DN2 plus some functions for sampling. It isn’t hard to figure out that it will be a polyphonic synth plus some sort of sampler. And it’s unlikely that Elektron would have resources to do a compleyely different polysynth for the Tonverk. So most likely, it will be very similar to the DN2.

yeh tbf its a big ‘maybe’, just occurred to me that when the DT2 was leaked earlier this year the subsequent release was very rushed and perhaps was premature to the intended release date. So while everyone was flapping about with tonverk speculations it took the heat off elektron a bit to get on with the DN2 release while avoiding what happened with the DT2. Im just speculating tho, I know fuck-all. I doubt very much its lost them any potential customers tho, the user base is pretty fanatical around any new release from elektron, and the DN2 seems to be a strong product

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Elektron could move towards hybrid duos.

Sample and fm synthesis
Sample and drum synthesis…

By turning towards seasoned users.
Or not…
Push for simplicity of use, and combine sampling with new features and synthesis.
D2 is an excellent surprise because elektron produces tools with precise modulation parameters and increasingly attractive possibilities.
Puis ça tourne rond chez elektron.
Les défauts de fabrication n’existe pas.
La qualité est là.

Cela ne m’étonnerait pas de voir des tonewerk et une lignée derrière voir le jour.

I wouldn’t be so sure. Trying looking at the print on the tonverk again without seeing what you want to see. The labels of the buttons under the knobs are actually more similar to the DTII than the DNII, e.g. one button says SRC instead of SYN. So it might actually be more likely for it to be a polyphonic sampler with the SD card and the editor button. Sure, it’s got a keyboard and transpose and arp button, but we have no idea how sound is generated on the tonverk, VA, granular, FM, physical modeling, it could literally be anything. We just don’t know and only time will tell.
Edit: Or to put it differently, look at the face plate of the DNII and tell me honestly you would have guessed that there would be an FM drum, wave and swarm engine in there.

Why is that unlikely? Isn’t developing synths their main business?