I agree!
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Because it’d be nice to have those “old” features with all the other new stuff like routing, busses, FX and workflow.
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Yes maybe, but it’ll be what it’ll be.
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Here’s my current theory: Elektron’s recent sample-based instruments (DT, M:S) had orange/yellow highlights and synthesis instruments (DN, M:C) had blue/teal.
Tonverk is sample-based, but has teal highlights which to me says that in this case the colour is indicative of purpose, not sound source. It’s a melodic sampler and hence also the naming similarity Ton-verk, Digi-tone. So if this is indeed a new hardware line I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a Trummverk down the line, which might be a better home for sample slicing (and possibly a Syntverk). Either way, I hope the Tonverk keeps carving out it’s own space in Elektron’s lineup and music hardware in general.
Now, I understand the desire to have one box that does everything. Our budgets and space are limited and these are expensive devices. That said, I see the Tonverk more as an (admittedly very flexible) instrument and less as a “DAW in a box” like the MPC, which can do pretty much everything, but that comes with a different set of drawbacks. The ultimate music making machine is still a computer, but I would assume we buy these boxes precisely because they are more purposeful and focused than that.
Sorry if this is a bit offtopic, just thinking about the sample-slicing conversation above.
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So I’m equally uninterested in my Tonverk just matching the features of the other gear that wasn’t as fun for me as Tonverk is but I also don’t think it’s a bad idea for them to have sampling basics like time stretch and at least basic slicing because frankly those are creative sample mangling tools and even if they aren’t my go-to there’s still already been plenty of scenarios where I thought “I would love to stretch this sample without using LFO tricks so that I could modulate the stretched sample in an interesting way. Stretching as a performance effect is also cool.
I don’t think they need the new boxes in this platform to all be matched to digi functions. One synth focused one that can do drums as well would make for a great 2 box setup with mega power. What I would love from a synth box would be something like 8 tracks with syntakt or digitone ii machines with flexible polyphony and timbrality at 16 voices and analog filters and overdrive with the same FX buses and master mix that TV has but a master analog OD and compressor as well. That would be the boss pairing to Tonverk IMO.
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No desire to debate the time stretch thing. Totally understandable why someone would want it and while I certainly wouldn’t be opposed, there’s so much to do and enjoy on the TV that it’s the least of my concerns. At the top of my wishlist are page looping and pattern mutes. With a 256 step sequencer, page looping seems more needed than ever. As for pattern mutes, not sure what is keeping that from happening, but I’m sure if it was easy to implement, they’d be there already
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Agree totally about those. I would really love song mode to start also including page loop and jump options so that we could slowly unwrap the full pattern, program in sections where one or two bars are skipped, etc.
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And yet most of the whining is coming from people who seem to own everything.
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I agree with basically everything except that they are expensive. Anyone who has tried to build a modular synth knows the meaning of the word expensive. What any Elektron box can do for the money is mind blowing.
People who expect every box to do everything they want are ignorant of two things:
- The cost of doing business
- The retail cost of a physical product that does everything. You won’t get it for the price of a Digi.
Also you miss the thrill of deep diving a specialised product!
If you still won’t accept it, stick to DAWs.
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That was my first thought when the early prototypes of the TV were leaked… it’s going to be a melodic device that can also do drum and percussion duties (similar profile to Digitone 2) not a drum and percussion device that can also do melodic duties (similar profile to Digitakt 2). The colour convention and button size similarities between the TV and Digitone 2 are clearly deliberate IMO.
If I go down the TV route eventually, it would be the melodic brain in my setup (sequencing external synths as well as being a super complex polysynth and FX box). The kind of role I’d use a Digitone 2 for, in other words. And I’d have a different box alongside it for beats (probably a Digitakt 2 but could be a Rytm Mk2 which has been on my GAS list forever… it’s an oldie but goldie IMO).
TV + ARMk2/DT2 + my hardware synths (Iridium, Prophet 5, Nord Electro 6D) would basically replace Push 3 + Live 12 + hardware synths. Different workflow I know, but the point is two Elektron boxes alone (plus the synths I already own) would be enough to take me back out of the box completely. I wouldn’t expect the TV to do everything and I don’t think it’s designed to do everything TBH. But TV + one other box… yeah, for sure.
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Not wanting It to be a digitakt… wanting only a TV plus timestretch and slicing, cant understand why its not on board. So to explain it… I like to sample a near finished Song in Stems from daw and rearange it and „finish“ it at TV with its Features. Maybe I dont need timestretch for that? But I think for that it will help me to be free. I didnt own a TV Right now but im very interestested… money is Not that Problem I Like The Idea to use it as explained above … so timestretch makes sense! Btw elektron wrote on their Website „ In many ways, Tonverk could be your perfect Elektron workstation.……. „And all of this from one box“
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If you miss a feature in Tonverk and don’t understand why it’s not there, there’s a simple explanation:
It’s not there because it’s not there. It’s that simple. Maybe it will come, maybe it won’t. And if you think Tonverk isn’t for you, that’s okay. Just choose another product from another company. Or feel free to develop and launch a product that has all the features you want. It’s sure to find a few buyers.
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Finally someone else who gets the mutes thing!! Thank you! This is the only thing I want to happen, the mute states need to be saved per pattern.
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I think the hardware is capable of a lot more than we are seeing right now. I think it is capable of hosting FM synth machines like in digitone, probably also capable of wavetable synthesis. Also 2 or 3 oscillators per voice or swarm/super saw synthesis also totally possible. Also AM and cross modulation. They would all be great to use with the little keyboard, it shouldn’t really make much difference to the hardware resources how the audio is being generated, so there could be a whole selection of source machine types to choose from.
After all the mpc has synths and sampling and fx, the TV is newer tech and more efficient coding.
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I have been watching 10+ hours of Tonverk video’s these last 3 days and from what I understand you can “timestretch” using the granular machine, if set correctly. Problem solved.
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yeah, i actually bought mine because i loved the idea of how open ended it is, especially with the supposed current limitations. i personally never use timestretching and tonverk in its current state forces a specific character of sound that’s important to how the machine flows. the multi-sampler makes up for it and encourages sound design in that direction. chord notes layer so nicely and are very smooth on top of one another
just got it today and ive been getting hypnotized at my studio desk just falling in a flow with it.
it’s the most inspiring piece of gear i’ve purchased since i got my monomachine in 2006.
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In fact, I don’t get why some peps keep asking for the time stretch. I already made use of this feature and works great!
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Could you please explain how ? With detailled parameters. Would be nice and usefull for all the claimers😉
• Set the oscillator mode.
• Choose the grain number you prefer, but keep it even. Increasing it by 2 will double the playback speed; decreasing it by 2 will halve it.
• Set Scan to zero or close to its maximum value.
• Keep Spread between 0 and 5.
• Set Size between 0 and 20.
Then adjust Density and fine-tune the behavior using Scan to match the tempo of your track.
You can change the tuning without affecting the playback speed.
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Thank you, i’ll try this this night😉