you are trolling around here. you simply stated this and then moved the goal posts. then you wrote “cute” to someones reply. please dont heat this thread up.
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I enjoy the Syntakt & the Tonverk
Not easy to choice
The Syntakt is very immediate and the latest upgrade is a big plus. I’ve had the Tonverk since mid-January and it was less user-friendly at first, but I like the effects, the routing, and the multisampling. Maybe you can find a cheap used Tonverk because there are some disappointed buyers; the new price had dropped and now it’s going back up… The Syntakt is also going up in price on the used market.
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The goal post moved… because I clarify the obvious, its from my experience with the TV in its current version ?
So whats your contribution ?
Who has the authority to speak for every Tonverk user ? You ?
you moved it ab called the response “cute”. i am no tonverk user an dont have autority. i just ask you to stop trolling here
You can ask as much as you want, does not bother me.
I must stress it does sound good though 
Edit: just to elaborate. There are of course times where I have no bugs for a considerable time.
I’ve had 3 or 4 very bad evenings, I suppose tonight isn’t great by any measure.
But if OP is asking about bugginess, let’s call a spade a spade.
This is the buggiest instrument I’ve ever seen Elektron put out… so far, as it stands. It is widely reported to be the case from many many people.
Stating otherwise is a bit misleading. That is all.
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Whoa. That escalated quickly!
Perhaps a follow-on question: do people who are experiencing a frustrating amount of bugs trust that Elektron will resolve them based on your knowledge of the other devices?
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Yes
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Tonverk isn’t finished and I definitely trust Elektron to resolve bugs. Tonverk OS uses a new platform.
I’d also recommend Syntakt as first Elektron, but it depends on your goals / needs.
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Here’s a helpful tip if you want to get started with the Elektron workflow quickly, effectively, and affordably: check out the Original Digitakt.
I’d say it looks pretty simple compared to the Syntakt/Tonverk, but it’s actually a really solid piece of kit with loads of possibilities.
It’s more than enough for a full live set.
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i don’t think elektron will fix many of the bugs
this is not only due to the sheer magnitude of them, but also the time it’s been (six months) since its release in which it cannot perform fundamental things that the manual indicates it should
i’ve owned digitones 1 + 2, digitakts 1 + 2, syntakt, analog 4, and analog rytm - the only bug i’ve ever encountered with them was a small one on the digitakt 2
they’ve all been absolute dreams to work with
tonverk, however, uses an entirely new and different type of operating system - elektron are in uncharted territory, so there’s no historical precedent for the quality of linux-based releases
elektron’s behavior so far does not convey confidence in their most recent product. they are almost entirely uncommunicative - and when they have responded to bug reports, it’s to say that the issues will “hopefully be addressed” lol
definitely get a syntakt!
OG DT was quite buggy and missing advertised functions on release
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+1 for this. I still own a Syntakt and I’ve owned a Tonverk, and while Tonverk is a very promising device, the firmware is not mature yet and is certainly not as polished as the ST/DN(II)/DT(II) firmwares.
While some of the real showstopper bugs were fixed, there are still plenty left (unlike some false claims in this thread). Tonverk is also not that “snappy” as other Elektrons (including a slow boot time) and some very practical things like page loop etc are missing.
Syntakt is monophonic though (well, 12 mono channels), so in case you want to play and sequence notes polyphonically (without workarounds) you could consider DNII as well. But for a first Elektron I’d say Syntakt is the better choice (and it can play samples since the last firmware). And it sounds great too!
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It would be unprecedented if they didn’t, but as Nonhorizon states, we’re in uncharted territory.
I’m an optimist so I am inclined to believe the fundamentals will get sorted, but the degree of issues present today are troubling this far beyond release. It implies either a lack of prioritization, or a lack of certainty. Both are bad.
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Based on the variety of opinions so far, I’m glad I’m not the person asking the original question 
I’ve owned both ST and TV pretty much since launch and love them both. Every Elektron box (in my opinion) comes with a long list of positives and a short list of caveats. If you can’t make compelling tracks on any of them, the box ain’t the problem. Some of my favorite tracks I’ve ever done was on a Model:Cycles, arguably the most ‘limited’ Elektron box ever. All that to say, get what you want, make the most of it and have fun
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Haha! It’s been good seeing people’s takes on it and it’s actually helped me crystalize my thinking quite a bit. It’s all about tradeoffs and at the moment I’m just weighing those.
With so many different ways of working (and the flexibility afforded by the devices) it doesn’t surprise me that opinions on bugs vary quite a bit.
As for “the problem isn’t the box” - that may be true, but finding a tool that feels good (and fun!) certainly helps.
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Lol, I was going to say; welcome to Elektronauts.
Also, if you’re just trying to find a fun groovebox, with super low barriers, pretty much any of the three Digi devices will be great. You just need to decide which flavor you’re looking for.
Maybe I didn’t give it enough time, but I didn’t really click with Syntakt. With both Digitakt and Digitone I was in love from my first sequence.
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I haven’t tried the Syntakt or Digitone II, and actively ignored the Digitakt 1 and Digitone 1 as toys, but MAN OH MAN do I adore the Digitakt 2.
I own the Analog 4, Octatrack, Machinedrum and both Model boxes (also toys), and the Digitakt 2 blows them all out of the water in terms of fun noodling. Elektron boxes rarely overlap in functionality, however, so I keep them all around… but the Digitakt II really is the star these days despite missing some features of these older boxes.
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I think a good question to ask is how you imagine yourself making music on a Elektron? The boxes that you have picked are great but do different things.
For a sampling workflow I’d advocate for a Digitakt as a good starting point. TV is good but is less straightforward in some ways. The Digitakt is more inline with the rest of the Elektron’s stuff. The TV is unique though and handles samples in a more synthetic way compared to the digitakt.
For a synthetic workflow, Syntakt is great at being rythmically ready to go at all times. The sound pallet is less diverse than a sampler or a more complex synth but the machines are easy to operate and quick to get results. With the new update, polyphony is easy to achieve and a small amount of one shot samples are available.
All of the above are great workhorses to make music, it just depends on what you want to do and how you like to work.
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IDK, if I could disagree more about the originals Digi-series being toys. There have been too many releases and excellent music made by both amateurs and professionals to ever really make that claim objectively.