Please don’t be offended. A lot of people here like your tunes, but if you make a point of saying it’s improvised then that will encourage discourse. It’s a thread about improvised techno. If you post in another thread then you won’t get the comments.
I know for a fact that if someone posted an ableton set where they mute and unmute, trigger a few clips, tweak a few parameters, most would agree that’s not improvising in the spirit of the thread.
From a personal perspective, whenever I see improvised from scratch techno it’s usually pretty crap. Also, an audience needs to be accepting of a different kind of output if people are improvising from scratch. Most of the time people want bangers with no time wasting.
I am not offended. But I know myself better than you know me. And after all the sensible answers, you still don’t understand. So improvised techno must to sound bad? I’ll stop wasting my time with you. You don’t want to understand. Thats it my friend.
not true, check BoxGuru on YT, he does Live/Push tracks, I definitely consider his work improvised, and if his work would be posted here I sure would say it’s in the spirit of this thread.
so you’ve been listening to my soundcloud huh…
seriously, I think this topic is really important, it’s not about semantics but what you’d consider improvisation, and for sure that’s a debatable topic as much as people debate on what’s techno or not, and I think it’s good to hear all perspectives and important not to be offended really or feel trolled, this is the place for these topics!
In principle one can make very polished and complete musical pieces almost entirely improvised, it’s just a very hard discipline to master and not something we see too often which is part of why the concept is so beguiling.
My role models are able to do 7 hour full improvs with 5 people at the same time. Aka STOOR. Speedy J said it great in his Knob Twiddlers Hangouts, that improvisation to him deals with a sense of danger, not knowing how things will go. I agree with people here that prearranged 5 minute techno songs aren’t in that realm. To each their own, but don’t tell me how my role models don’t improvise.
I think it would be great to see/hear your improvised stuff you mention. I would like that. I think it would be great here.
I’m much less interested in prepared patterns, unmuted over 7mins or whatever. Even with filter sweeps and a reverb send. Sorry if there’s something else going on which I missed. If so please let me know.
I think this above is the only thought I aimed to share … nothing more. Apologies if I offended you.
i think it opens up a valid and interesting conversation. i don’t see anyone saying your music is trash or you’re a bad person, or anything else i can’t imagine someone wouldn’t say to your face lol
one of my favorite hardware techno producers is marc faenger, who seems to play mostly pre-written patterns on drum boxes with some modulars on top. it’s fucking brilliant techno, but i would say probably not a good fit for this thread
Nobody said anything bad about your art. In fact, I was complimentary. How you made it is actually irrelevant, but in a thread about techno improvisation we all debated that aspect. Normal.
As said above, most of my favourite artists don’t improvise. But if they posted in this thread I’d debate the improvisation aspect freely.
Yes, I think I overreacted a bit. Sorry. Yes Marc makes great tracks and textures with modular. I love it. Yes a lot of prep work on his productions when I watch the YouTube tutorials. But he can also play live and prepares a part. I think he also improvises more or less.
So the machines you choose to use take care of most of the prep.
Which made me realise true improvised techno can only be techno where you have a soldering iron and some components and a breadboard, and make the synthesis and sequencing circuits first, then program them with your own patterns.
I’ll stop wasting my time with you. You don’t want to understand. Thats it my friend.
