The BITWIG Thread

They’re very careful to address this:

The content shop will not interfere with the development work and corresponding sound packages released in Bitwig Studio updates, and we remain committed to the guarantee that the Upgrade Plans will provide 12 months of updates to Bitwig Studio.

IMHO the biggest problem with the spectral devices saga was the lack of communication. They seem to be out in front of it this time :crossed_fingers:

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Perhaps anyone who read manuals know already, but i learned from some vid tutorial that if you bounce a audio track you decide which fx plugins get bounced by selecting which fx you want by moving them into a container or purposely outside. That’s so useful to free up resources and leave fx you might want to adjust later out of the bounce. I didn’t understand why i bounced tracks and removed the fx i was left with the initial audio. Now i know. Bitwig is so well thought out.

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…a new shopend for premium preset sound packs is a good move…
…no new devices here…just nice soundpax to purchase or not purchase…
ableton made this concept a great business for them…nothing wrong that bitwig also starts a second business in that realm, totally apart from their yearly upgrade plans…

for 5.5 or 6.0 theres still a whishlist to be fulfilled…midi mutator, audio to midi, dedicated physical modeling synth, limiter+ and the eyegrid…or at least a first step into that direction, with one video track player for all sorts of external video files…
since a sort of video modular enviroment, i’d love to call it the eyegrid, should become an xtra product anyways…

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I find Bitwig pretty good for this

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Check the patches from this pack:

Sound Content | Bitwig

The 18 page “discussion” on KvR would indicate - yes :smiley:

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Lol ffs - it really is happening. Up to 20 pages now.

Personally I even thought the spectral tools meltdown was a bit overblown, but this is taking the piss imho. The developer obviously needs to make money to keep developing Bitwig, there’s no fundamental functionality being paywalled, it’s just a couple of sample packs. Buy them or don’t. I feel like there’s a strong element of people performatively jumping up and down online hoping to make Bitwig cave again so they get stuff for free, whether or not they actually really need it or would use it.

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I won’t rehash my whole manifesto about business models and Bitwig’s disruption case except to say that I agree, this is not that and people are taking the piss. I have no qualms about this new sound shop and think it’s a solid move, business wise.

But I am a little concerned they felt it necessary. If it’s an attempt to fill out content gaps (a place where a newcomer like Bitwig under-performs the tutorial- and preset-rich incumbents) then great! No problems.

If, on the other hand, it is a necessary secondary revenue stream… really subscriptions ought to be paying for that. And this would be a worrying sign that too many are letting them lapse.

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Hello Antic, haven’t seen you around for a while! I have pretty much given up with the Bitwig forum on KVR, seems to have been taken over by muppets :wink:

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I think it has been a common complaint that Bitwig doesn’t have the high-quality selection of 3rd-party packs that e.g. Ableton has. If they’re just trying to give more quality content, I can’t see the issue or how it’s different to NI expansions, MPC expansion, Ableton packs or any of the numerous other companies doing this sort of thing.

Of course, like @jemmons I hope they aren’t in trouble and it’s a scramble for cash.

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Thanks, I’ll look

  1. There’s nothing wrong with creating additional revenue streams; quite the opposite
  2. Almost every other DAW dev have paid add-ons: FL, Live, Cubase, S1, Reason, etc.
  3. I’m pretty sure those particular patches are created by 3rd party sound designers, so Bitwig is probably getting a cut but is making it possible for other people to earn some money, too
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I thought KvR didn’t have any Muppets since I “left”?
I guess nature does hate the vacuum :slight_smile:

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To say the least… :roll_eyes:

I opened this forum. Is not this a definition of over reacting? About … presets shop?
“i will sell my Bitwig license”. “please give them no second chance”…
Like that they violated their own anti-capitalist open software manifesto

Can only be minutes away from a class action lawsuit being proposed … again.

Like I say I smell a bit of performative outrage over there, presumably on the basis that if they stomp their feet and scream and scream enough Bitwig will eventually cave and give them more stuff. To be fair, that is what happened the last time - I’d love to know how much the loudest voices from that time have been using the spectral plugins in reality.

Unfortunately imho you’d have to suspect that Bitwig aren’t coming with another attempt to diversify revenue streams after the last debacle unless they feel they need to.

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…no worries everybody…

the bitwig team is slimlined and smart, works mostly from home offices and exists all in all pretty cost effective…

there will be a 6.0 in 25, a 7.0 in 26 and at least an 8.0 version in 27 for sure… :wink:
meanwhile and recently, from now on, there will be an xtra catalogue of finest presets, made by other artists and carefully curated by bitwig, that will expand the very explicit and long lists of always already in the box included presets for ALL their on board devices and their eternal ways of crosscombo varieties possible…

this is by no means any alarming sign, just great traditional practice of an add on shopping place, where sounddesigners and artists can sell their very own crafted bitwig content creations…
since this piece of software is sooooo full of stars, way too much to discover in one single lifetime…

oh, and of course…there is this old saying in the early age of information…no lovers without haters…
besides the other one…if a product is for free, U are the product…
too much scammers 'n hackers out there, that will never find their satisfaction anywhere near to a truu creative process…way too many sad and miserable lives out there…

the spectral suite was a conceptional and comnunicational accident…they corrected it right away…
that new sonic gift shop is just a gift…if u love it, pay a little, if u don’t, hey, ur license includes ALL the tools it needs to create any such sounds all by ur own…

or visit one of the knowledge and preset exchange places on the net…like https://bitwiggers.com since, the bitwig community really has it’s very own places for any sort of sonic creation exchange beyond the kvr forum which suffers a lot from reddit fever from time to time…

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…oh and by the way…izotope plasma the bitwig way…

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What you mean by “conceptional”?

We never got to hear what the concept behind it really was.

Personally I thought paid-for-devices would be a great avenue for them to stretch their creative wings with some more crazy ideas that Bitwig is famous for that wouldn’t appeal to everyone, therefore the a-la-carte approach made sense. Whereas the upgrade plan money would be used more towards bread & butter DAW features. Win / win for everyone, I thought! I bought them in a heart beat, couple of minutes after they were announced :slight_smile:

I actually hate that the “community” didn’t give them a chance to continue that, although I totally recognize they f**ed up the communication. :frowning:

Anyway, that’s in the past now. I don’t even have Bitwig license anymore, so…

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That’s cool. I just wished that when you use ‘Bounce In Place’ the original Notes are remembered so if you ever want to ‘un-Bounce In Place’ you can.

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