The best sample based “song starter” groovebox for initial ideas and loops?

I have Play+ and it’s a joy to use. The sequencer is absolutely genius, if you don’t need deep dive into sampling, you have a lot of options to mangling the sound of the samples. Reverb and delay sounds pretty good… I don’t know, it’s fun. And the synth part sounds amazing too.

I’ve done in 20 days a huge 30 minute live set and it was my most succesfull gig to date, only with play+. Drawback is that when you have a very large project it takes time to copy and paste patterns, but with a little bit of patience you can do an incredibly well designed set or more simple songs. As I said, is an awesome device.

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I have the standard Play and just read it can be updated to +. Is it worth it?

I think it’s worth. You can hear the synths in its page and for me sounds great. And you have audio over usb which I’ve still not tried but it’s a big plus.

I only have the plus but I thought the extra features were worth it. Especially having it’s only synths

For sure, this is where I was with the MPC Live for years - it can do the DAW in a box thing to some extent, but I never felt like it was particularly good at this or more to the point that it suited how I like to work. I was always happy enough to just spend an hour here and there finding and chopping up samples on it that I could save to programs and grab when needed to throw together a bunch of alternative sequences either as a track starter or to fit a piece I was working on. But usually didn’t really feel the need to do much arrangement on the box, preferred to bounce out relatively early and/or use the plugin.

I saw a lot of criticism over the years about bloat and it being too much of a DAW which I never really understood - I just use it in the exact same way as I had the MPC1k I had before that. I felt like if other people wanted that other stuff then good for them, but I was happy enough to just use the bits that are useful to me. It’s really just in 3.0 that it looks like they’re going to break the bits I like and the the way I’ve used MPCs for about a decade, seems like there’s going to be no option but to go DAW-lite with it. And yes, I am just a little bit salty about this. I still like the pads a lot, so probably will have a niche just for finger drumming one way or the other.

But basically the SP404 is hitting that same spot, I guess because it has no pretensions towards DAW in a Box it feels like it has more to distinguish it from just doing everything in the DAW from the start, even the back to basics sampling/sequencing approach feels refreshing as against Logic/Ableton.

So the computers drive is visible on these ? Or the play/tracker SD is visible (editable) on the computer ?

You used to have to pull the SD out, but now you can put the Tracker in USB mode and mount the internal SD card on your computer.

It’s completely drag and drop so getting samples on and off is really easy.

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