None of Behringer’s cloning has bothered me yet, but Maths is a step too far in my opinion. I don’t even own a Make Noise module, but they are far from the Rolands and Korgs of the world. Just last night i met a Euro manufacturer from a who had to pivot to standalone/pedals because it was so hard to make a buck in that saturated euro environment, and he was the sole designer/builder/seller/marketer of the business. Behringer cloning could really hurt these small companies - and it wouldn’t even add much to their bottom line. That said, i have zero problem with Behringer getting into eurorack - just don’t copy other euro companies, or at least put your own spin on classic modules rather than outright cloning them.
Side Benefit to Behringer being in the Synth Business
On the latest Sonic Talk #585 toward the end of the show, Kent Spong who runs a classic synth repair business points out the tremendous benefit Behringer has given to the classic synth owner, by allowing people to acquire various difficult and expensive repair parts for classic synths very inexpensively. Interesting perspective on things, that.
I wish to God the malström thing was happening…
Same here! Everybody is talking about the upcoming clones, but a tweakable effect processor would be awesome. Haven’t heard any news about it.
Just so it’s clear to anyone wondering what this is – it’s Maelstorm, which in short description was to be:
An Analog and Digital Desktop FX Processor with 4 TC ELECTRONIC FX Engines, MIDAS Microphone Preamplifiers and 6 x 6 USB/Audio Interface
Sounds to me a collection of already existing Behringer pieces put together in one box.
List of Features of Behringer Maelstorm
- Record, transform, tweak your synthesizer, guitar or vocals and bring your audio to life using the ultimate in analogue and digital signal processing
- 4 simultaneous world-class TC ELECTRONIC and KLARK TEKNIK FX featuring over 30 algorithms with incredible integrated modulation matrix
- 2 high quality, professional MIDAS microphone preamplifiers with instrument input, high-pass filter and phantom power
- 6 x 6 channel USB/Audio/MIDI interface (Class 2.0 compliant) for highest signal integrity
- Multiple classic analog distortion circuits add character and warmth ranging from subtle glow to grimy filth
- Stereo VCF using legendary 3320 based filter design, low/high/band-pass modes, frequency and resonance controls for immense sound sculpting possibilities
- Excels at stand-alone operation or part of a DAW based system, combining 4-channel analog and 6-channel USB I/O with extensive side-chain and routing options
- Stereo FX send and return channels for enhanced DAW integration over ultra-low latency USB/Audio Interface
- Insane vortex of modulation featuring 3 ADSR generators, 2 LFOs, 32-step Control Sequencer and MIDI to warp both analog and digital effect parameters in real-time
- 6 endless rotation potentiometers, each with high resolution OLED display for precise control of all parameters
- Create powerful parameter macros allowing multiple parameters to be controlled from a single rotary, MIDI controller or external CV via the modulation matrix
- Full color LCD display with encoder for rapid parameter editing and program selection
- Integrate with modular systems using assignable, external CV & trigger input and outputs
- Fully servo-balanced stereo line outputs for highest signal integrity
- 2 footswitch/expression pedal inputs, assignable to mod matrix or control functions
- Comprehensive MIDI implementation including NRPN/CC control of all parameters and bulk load/save
Now this information is all 19 months old. Far as i’m aware there has been no more word and no pictures.
What I don’t get is wtf I’d actually OUT yet? I keep hearing (and seeing videos) about their 808 and 909, ms101, many others but they don’t seem to be available yet? A buddy of mine wants to get into synths and I recommended the ms 101 but was confused to not see it for sale. And the RDs were supposed to come out back in March?
see… now I actually was giving them enough credit to think they were doing something innovative by ripping off a software synthesizer for once. by which I mean Reason’s Malström graintable synth, of course.
how silly of me.
Thomann got the 101 in stock in all colors, but it’s called MS-1 now. And also got the Odyssey as pre-order for september. No sign of 808/909 tough
The K-2 (Behringer’s MS-20 like desktop) is about to ship.
Nick at Sonic State seems a little surprised by this. Apparently he has not been reading the posts here – we all talked about it back in April.
So here’s another synth, along with the Odyssey, that Behringer has just dropped out of the sky without a lot of upfront hype.
ADDED: Here’s the thread on Elektronauts.
Pro-1 and Crave nearly ready to ship from Thomann
I’ll wait till the bugs are ironed out and see if an obvious feature everyone is expecting has been implemented or bizarrely missed.
The pro1 in theory should be ok as they haven’t ‘enhanced’ it
I expect the crave will have issues with midi / sequencer.
Pretty sure it’s the same sequencer as in the Arp Brodyssey and Broland 101.
Though I do need to see if ms1 is ok with recent fixes.
I’m a bit reluctant to assume if one of the devices is ok then the others are fine too.
Seems to me like behringer is struggling with the digital side of their products. But also seems like they are trying to make things right. RD-8 got a bugfix update already, and its not even available in some parts of the world yet.
But yeh, if behri starts ripping off the small devs, and especially if the stuff is still relatively new, that’s not OK.
So following the WING digital mix console announcement and a “maybe/maybe not” tease on the Wasp, everyone is snooping around Behringer looking for clues. Synthanatomy is reporting on a list of trademarks Behringer have acquired recently.
Blue Marvin (a reference to the ARP 2600)
Source (not sure is this the Moog Source?)
Logan (probably for the Logan String Melody)
Now a company can apply for all sorts of trademarks, and that doesn’t mean they are all defensible but it’s a good indication of intent.
Add this to all the other products mentioned earlier in this thread. That there is a raft of products on the way is to be expected, given all the hiring of engineering staff Behringer did earlier this year.
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behringer should start a build-a-synth concept. if you know build-a-bear, you know what I mean. If you dont, its a shop where kids build their own teddy bear station by station, determaning what components it should have.
that, my friends, would be the most epic thing ever.
imagine having a template layout (faceplate), configurable in how many and what kind of oscillators, what filters and so on. Awesomeness
so called „Eurorack“
kind of true. but without the cables and options. some people want it that way
so called „M-Bus“