The Behringer Gear-in-progress Thread

Agreed, I would have preferred to see them assert their own vision of what a musical instrument should be. They did this with the Neutron and the elusive Proton, and I really love my Neutron - it sounds great, it feels great, a well-thought-out piece of gear in every respect.

Obviously Behringer are prioritizing speed and price to gain market share, and making the Kick a copy of the MPC One is a way of communicating what it can potentially do in a far more direct way than a long written or spoken explanation. In business, when you are explaining the customer is evaluating your product more than imagining what they can do with it, and most purchase decisions are based on imagination rather than evaluation. There are so many plugins available for the MPC Live/One series now that the firmware has been opened up, and MPCs are pretty affordable already and of course the MPC is one of the most powerful brands in electronic music. Akai/Inmusic have made it clear that they are not hostile to open source, so the clock is ticking for Behringer.

The Ignite model is a bit like Elektron devices design wise, but also a bit like the older Roland Aira line; X0X sequencers are inherently a bit more generic and industrial in the same way a keyboard with some front panel knobs is a generic interface. I like the two knobs at left and right for switching parts/bars, in combination with the big screen that’s potentially an elegant solution to the tedium of pushbutton navigation on other devices.

The DJ concept they showed off is pretty clearly a clone of the Pioneer devices, but those are crazy expensive and also that general decks + pads + 4-channel mixer design has been copied by many other manufacturers already, so I don’t think Behringer is committing any sins by putting out yet another version.

I have to admit that that’s the one I’m more interested in because it has the most versatile and tactile user interface, and I have always dreamt of a live techno rig that was essentially a DJ mixer for mixing and matching rhythmic and chromatic patterns - imagine holding down a pad to control hihats and being able to sculpt that specific sound with the mixer knobs and switch up the rhythm with the turntable, then let go of the pad and have the central panel controls snap back to being a 4 channel mixer.

When I first started going to raves as a kid I thought DJs had special records with 20 tracks on each side that were just loops of individual instruments and the mixer was a sort of open-ended looper were you could build up and tear down the musical structure on the fly. When I realized most DJs were just crossfading between complete tracks and hot-knobbing the mixer in time with the pre-recorded risers and breakdowns I was pretty disappointed :upside_down_face:

Of course, it’s also possible that they do a mix of open (reprogrammable) digital functionality and fixed analog functionality, eg the mixer is always a mixer while the decks are whatever you want them to be; not as versatile, but still potentially a real instrument rather than strictly an audio player/looper.

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And nobody spent a word for the Polivoks! Shall it replace the various filter clones around, from Elta, for example?

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Yeah, I feel like open source and the promise of a low price should be enough of a draw in themselves without them making it such an obvious MPC rip-off. But I suspect that their sales figures have taught them that clones sell, and they think that hiring decent designers and making genuinely new designs is a risk not worth taking.

I also think that if you’re going to rip off an MPC design anyway, make it the Live, but I suppose that’s a matter of personal preference.

Insane!

Meanwhile, I am just wondering about the differentiation criteria of B1200, RD765, BMX and Linndrum - beside the different cases.

All can do the lowfi sampling…

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I know for the Linndrum copy - it has the specific analog signal path circuits that the original had for each drum part. So loading the same sample into the different drum parts, sounds and behaves different. I assume the other clones also replicate their analog signal paths.

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Because it will only have a kick synth out of the box, the rest is for the customer (well, for Claude) to vibecode.

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I’ve managed to resist Behringer for all these years, even with the Syncussion copy, which i’ve been wanting an original of on and off for around 10 years. I think this SP1200 copy might seduce me to the darkside though. Even the prices for used S2400’s have shot up to around, or even more than new price these days, so a very good time for dropping these.
If these were dropping soon, i’ll be adding one to my cart, but i’ve probably got 2 years before they drop to wrestle with my conscience.

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VCX3 – Luigi Scarano

From Behringer Facebook page

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Have they hinted at the price for this one yet?

Something about that form factor. Wonder how close the sound will get?

Like the 2600, this would be very hard to resist.

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Anti brick technology built in, that’s going to be a powerful selling point.

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Meet the Behringer POLYKEYS 61 - the world’s
FIRST and ONLY 61-key mini MIDI controller with polyphonic aftertouch AND ribbon control!

And yes, it’ll be OPEN SOURCE!

Our target price? Just US$199!

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They placed the ribbon strip, above the top four octaves, so presumably you can match the pitch to the key below it. The bass octave is played on the keyboard.

Nice too is there are plenty of other controls on this as well. Sliders, wheels, pads, DAW buttons, …

This is the same price they promised many years ago. ( No inflation ? )

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All these target prices that Behringer posts seem like “come on pricing” to work people into a lather.

I’m highly skeptical that they’re going to deliver anything of decent quality at prices anywhere near these so called targets.

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I wonder if there isn’t a glut of cheap tech fabrication capacity out there to be bought off the back of the ram price spiral killing the cheap laptop market at the moment

They will most likely deliver on price, what level of quality and performance you get is a different matter. I suspect it will be perfectly adequate for anyone needing a 61 key midi keyboard on a tight budget.

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You making puns ??

Looking back over the various products they’ve released, they didn’t always hit target, but they’ve always been close, or on. And then they’ll beat target on sales.

No just spelling mistakes.

It’s a good pun though.

Damn if it is even remotely playable that’s kind of a must buy for many.