The Behringer Gear-in-progress Thread

Yeah gear in progress for sure ! Where will they be in another ten years ???

The clone phase might then be ancient history.

What does the next gen of manufacturing technology that they are just now bringing on line, allow them to do ?

I think it suggests a greater range of products, among other things. Definitely more digital stuff.

What will their Eurorack line look like ??

I also think the haters may burn out some as well in ten more years.

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Yeah looks like they’re diving into digital next - Grind, JT, BX, Wave… maybe we’ll even see a Birus or Bord :slight_smile: Personally hoping for some more original or interesting hybrid designs.

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Looking back, Music Tribe has done a lot of growth by acquisition. Midas as for instance. Acquiring Cool Audio from Intersil in 2000 ( 25 years back ) was an important enabling tschnology that has made a lot of the internal Behringer synthesizer growth possible, if not inevitable.

Cool Audio itself has grown, for instance adding the vacuum tube technology, that has now popped up as a series of important Behringer audio products.

I won’t list out all the acquired brands that are part of Music Tribe now, but it is extensive.

The addition of the clean room part on the new Music Tribe factory bears the same significance, even though we don’t yet know the details and specifics of this technology, like whether this is for silicon fab, or for something very different.

We can also expect will see vastly improved and expanded factory automation coming on line as well. At it’s extreme this sort of factory automation promises low-cost custom ( even one off ) manufacture. Whether Music Tribe would actually make this sort of fine grained manufacture a regular thing is another matter.

Will the Behringer synth business now expand via acqusition as well ? They reportedly were offered the opportunity, and examined the chance to acquire Moog and turned it down, leaving it to inMusic. Other makers have been available and will be available in the future, i think of Modal as a good example. But to the present Behringer has chosen to grow internally, rather than grow by acquisition. We’ll see if that holds.

They have many times offered to do business with startups to manufacture innovative ideas, but i haven’t seen concrete results for this so far. To some extent the contracting of design experts, like AMSynths, for example, has filled the same function. They seem to have this as a way they will continue for now.

They should do a best of all in one synth synthesizer. If they can do a prophet and a Jupiter and a Juno etc why not build one super synth that has all them filters and oscillators and you can mix and match. I don’t have space for all of them :grin:

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That’s kind of interesting to think about. B obviously clone a lot of Moog designs, would have acquiring Moog added a sort of legitimacy to that? Probably not to the purists I guess… Would they have still sold Moog products under the Moog name etc?

I wonder if turning it down reflects the position of Moog as a company, or if it was more a case of continuing its lines wouldn’t fit with B’s larger manufacturing strategy. Maybe the offer just wasn’t right, or maybe it was just a rumour in the first place.

Sounds like the description for another version of the Arp Quadra ( which is already GIP ) reshuffled and reimagined with a collection of already existing synths from Behringer.

In my imagination that’s how they are approaching the design of their Quadra now, with part of their Odyssey, together with design from their Solina or VC340, plus part of one of their bass synths … all together with their poly-aftertouch keybed.

You are aware that their BX-1 has a digital DX-1 side ( which is like two DX-7s together – 6 op FM ) combined with 32 analog CS-80 styled filters in a hybrid creation.

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Yes something like the BX-1. But Analog. Like a “Flagship Synth” that e.g. looks like a Prophet 5 but you could switch every section into different modes. 8 voices. Prophet/Oberheim/Yamaha/Roland OSC, Filter, ENV and a good efx section as well. Could be $1500 or $2000 or something like that. I mean the UB-Xa is under $1000 already with 16 voices.

But this is off topic so back to the real stuff :smile:

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That would be a tall order… Chances are you’d need a separate ‘voice’ for each synth mentioned (as they’re all different architectures with different chipsets) x however many voices the synth would have! There would possibly be some overlap ( if two of the synths used the same oscillator or filter chipsets for instance) but it would still be a huge beast just in terms of circuitry. For the 4 brands you mentioned that would be 32 ‘voices’ for a 8 voice But we can live in hope I guess! Imagine if they could implement a ‘super’ unison mode… 64 analogue oscillators stacked through 32 filters… I’d hate to think how many VCA’s they’d need to use too!

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Here’s a thumb-nail description of the Arp Quadra that is on Wikipedia :

The machine combined pre-existing products: the Omni, Odyssey, a Solina-esque string synthesizer unit, a phaser, and a divide-down organ with ADSR envelope, and a 4075 24 db low pass filter into one box.

It has four sections. Bass is on the bottom two octaves, has two unison bass circuits (electric and string), with AR and a single pole low pass filter and a related AD envelope for cutoff. A string section is similar to the ARP Omni. Poly Synth, and a two voice Lead Synth similar to the Odyssey and a five way mixer with four unit outputs, a stereo pair, a line mono and an XLR out.

If ARP ( back in the dark ages ), and now presumably Behringer, can pull all this wool together to make a bear, why couldn’t they knit something made from other complementary pieces as well ?

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I’ve always wanted a Quadra! There was one for sale recently on eBay but it’s big bucks. I’d love to see the theme applied to some other flavours of synth tho. Roland would be the obvious choice as they already do each of their sections in other synths (well, the poly is GIP) but they’ve got the rest already

You’d have to make that VA to work, if it’s not to be a 50kg giant synth monster that costs 10k. Making a good VA with analog filter(s) would be cool. Something like Jupiter X(M) but with a UI that makes sense.

In another 10 years the Deepmind will be considered vintage

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There are countless Behringer-centric topics. Any interview with Mr Behringer will soon (and had started to) derail this focussed and ‘clean’ gear only topic …

If you are not relaying Behringer announcements of specific new Behringer gear already within the pipeline, then there are better candidate (or new) topics to post a general interview in. It might as well be a dog-whistle for all the usual attention and carnage that follows … Behringer topics are one move away from an administrative headache. It’s too tenuous in this topic and has already sprouted general Behringer ethics replies …

This topic is one of the few safe ones left … please share the interview elsewhere (if not already posted in those other topics), there are surely at least a few better candidate topics, or create a specific one if not (that probably isn’t a good idea)


Thanks in advance for keeping this one tidy going forward; a polite reminder - discussion of flags or hidden posts is also off-topic and it’s frankly tiring by this stage that this isn’t understood, the moderators make this point almost weekly

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that’s more like it !!! ooh, that filter … watching now

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Behringer is planning synths costing less than their $50 Micro line, specifically to be sold in parts of the world where this level of affordability matters. Details to follow.

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ÂŁ239 at andertons .

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Oh boy, the Pro-800, Dm12, and now this are the three B synths that get my GAS going badly. If they ever manage to release a version of the Oberheim Xpander it’s gonna be just about impossible for me to stay away.
The 2-XM demo sounds luscious. I think I could turn that filter knob for hours :drooling_face:

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This one does sound good.

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The 2-XM has the least-nasty layout and graphics of the reimagined B synths in my humble opinion. Good stuff.

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