Teenage Engineering EP-133 K.O. II

You have a point and the metal prongs under the fader are really flimsy / bend really easily. I think we can all agree that’s a pretty objective statement considering all the complaints

After opening it up to fix it tho, everything else seems pretty solid and there’s not a lot that can go wrong even if it’s plastic and it’s dropped. If it does, seems like most things are replaceable.

The durability of the overall Ko ii build reminds me of plastic cell phones back in the day. You could drop them so many times and worst case, the battery cover would come off and you get some scratches. Some would argue that phones now are more durable. They’re heavier, got metal and glass builds. But drop it once and it shatters. Not saying you can drop the KO but maybe that’s what some are referring to in terms of quality

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12 inch drop test is clearly some TE style QA :grin: but yeah I think it would survive a bigger fall likely… its not like it is super heavy. @dzyndzel I dig the jam you got going on it… more of that and less dropping plz

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More dropping!

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I don’t want folks to think I’m saying it isn’t worth it. I’m not saying that at all.

However, there are enough complaints that I don’t think build quality is really a question anymore.

I have two. The speaker on my wife’s broke after 48hrs for no reason at all. Why? Because it was built well? No. It clearly was not.

There is enough people who have opened brand new units and had issues to know that it could and should be built better going forward.

Am I really tripping for thinking any of this?

Perhaps it’s not a premium product. Better question is if TE is a premium company. If so, they gotta do better.

I feel like as consumers we should hold these companies to standards as least as high as their prices. Who should have more nerve? Us or them?

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nah youre on point king

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You’re correct. There shouldn’t be this many people opening their units and finding them broken, or discovering they stop working in 2 days. A few defective units are expected, and accidents happen in transport. But this seems a bit much.

I’m not even that mad about mine because my expectations have been set by all the posts about problems, just mildly disappointed.

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would be cool if they did do a hardware revision on the speakers and faders but make sure it happens within my warranty period and before mine hits a breaking point

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I think you’ve made some good points, and you aren’t the first person to bring up QA issues. Hopefully they can resolve the fader and speaker issues quickly.

For better or worse, this is what it looks like when a company creates a product to a price point. TE aimed for $300, and this is what we have.

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We saw a similar thing when Elektron released the digitakt and the keys would often get stuck. They fixed that in later batches.

It shouldn’t happen of course but it doesn’t mean the product is inherently poorly made.

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Good luck to you

Mostly agree but would just say that this is what it looks like when TE makes a $300 product.

Roland’s AIRA line at $200 is built 3x more durable. Haven’t heard a peep about anything breaking or not working. So it isn’t about the price.

It’s about TE margins. To be fair to them, it’s also about aesthetic.

My $600 Helmut Lang sneakers ain’t holding up like my $200 Jordans. So it’s not lost on me that they made some compromises to bring us the sexy form factor.

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that is a very gentle drop test.

ha ha.

so delicate.

There’s also R&D costs to factor in. And this is where Roland makes the $$$, because they reuse the same things over and over, and just put it into a new box with more or less features. With Roland you are either getting Zencore, or the ACB modeling.

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Sorry for the negativity but just want to give voice to those of us who deserved better than what we received. Having a ball with the one that works—for now :eyes:. But, how can I have confidence that it will work after the warranty is up? I cannot. That part is gone forever.

For the record, I would pay OP1 cash for the same form factor in aluminum, titanium tank build with the typical sampler features others have mentioned above (resample, mfx, etc).

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Just mean build quality. And you’re right, they buy a tremendous amount of the same components and use them inside everything they make.

My AIRA, MC, MV, SP all use the same power unit :joy::joy::joy:. It’s actually a good thing but kinda hilarious at the same time.

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i think i figured out Mute. holding a bank and using the fader defaults to volume control. and you can hold multiple groups. the lowest setting enables the mute led. fx and a/any group button solos. not sure about mute groups i think that might be more like choke. not sure.

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Right on. My EP-133 should be arriving today, so I can’t wait to weigh in on the build quality, and play fader roulette, haha, damnit.

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There’s been a lot of DIY solutions to the fader problems, but what about the speaker?

I guess many people don’t care about the speaker, but it does speak to the quality of the build … and for a jam in a pinch it could be useful.

Otherwise still no news on my end in Europe after ordering from the sneaker shop … will update.

Gosh I had completely missed that the devices has scales.

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its one of my favorite implementations of a scale mode too!