Yes, from the number of pads I would also expect 8 part multitimbrality for the Tangerine. That’s more than plenty.
I have a few specific questions here to see if the Tangerine might fit my needs. I’m interested in using it to replace a Boss RC3 I use to store and launch field recordings and also a small synth that I play with pedals live. The Tangerine is very appealing because of its size. I’m only really interested in using it for live patches at shows, not so much as a studio/desktop instrument.
-Would I be able to use this live with a midi keyboard to use as a piano sound engine while playing 1-3 minute field recordings from the Tangerine at the same time?
-Can different pads/samples be panned L/R to use as separate mono outs?
-If I used this to sample a synth and also a piano, how long does it take to load between the two (effectively time it takes to switch/load a different patch).
Thanks!
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Yep. It’ll excel at that.
The Tangerine only has two outs, and you can pan samples to the extreme left and right. If it’ll get you a true mono effect, I don’t know, though. The blackbox allows you to assign a sample to a true mono output, but it has three stereo outs, so that’s another use case.
Well, if you load them while playing, it’ll take some time - probably longer than you’d be comfortable with. But you don’t have to. A project contains eight sample slots. Just load your piano into one slot and your synth into the other and switch between the two slots in real time, which takes no time. The Tangerine can handle it. The blackbox probably couldn’t, in this case.
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I think in this constellation you would “switch pads” by switching MIDI channels on the controller, wouldn’t you?
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Confirmed. Same polyphony as blackbox — 32 voices across all pads; 16-note per-pad polyphony for samples & multisamples, 2-note for clips and slicers.
Hope that helps!
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You could. On the blackbox, there are a few different ways to do this. Not sure about the Tangerine. But what you’re suggesting will def work 
If you’re talking about per-pad MIDI where each pad gets its own MIDI channel, yeah, we do that. A pad can be omni, set to a single channel, or ignore MIDI altogether.
Safety tip: in some versions the default MIDI in for a pad is set to none. One Saturday I forgot that before jamming with a new patch and ended up spinning the development environment and debugger trying to figure out what was broken. That was a good way to spoil a creative session!
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Ahoy, guys!
Sorry to barge in like that, but had some questions about that wonderbox.
I almost pulled the trigger on a SP404 mk2 last week, but the Tangerine looks enticing enough that I refrained from hitting the purchase button for now.
But since then, I’m a bit at lost.
Not only does the Tangerine has next to zero promo (not a bad thing, au contraire…but not helpful at all when comparing options), 1010music support was not that helpful when I asked about Tangerine whens and wheres purchase options (something that I totally understand…but still, not the best thing for me right now).
And, while trying to research the Tangerine, I was made aware of the fact that 1010music’s updates cycle is not the greatest (in term of timeframe in between two updates, ie. Razzmatazz), that Tangerine’s firmware was somewhere stuck between the Blackbox and the Razzmatazz (so there could be overlap), making it hard to understand which box was aimed at what workflow.
Since I’m looking for a portable, battery operated sample playback/editor hardware with on-board memory/SD card reader and sequencing capabilities, I’m under the impression that the Tangerine qualifies (and so does the SP404 mk2).
But reading through forums, it may also be somewhat overkill (multisampling, MIDI routing capabilities, etc) and/or somewhat underwhelming (simple yet effective sequencer, for instance).
All in all, I’m at loss.
So here goes my real question. Who is this for? What’s the target audience for the Tangerine?
This is not a bashing post, and this is a genuine question.
All the early opinions, the lack of reviews and infos, the available resources and the actual comments from beta testers just lost me completely.
But one thing for sure : it does look awesome and got me GASing up quite a bit.
If anyone has any insight, I’m in.
(Oh, and side note, thanks everyone for keeping this thread informative af - this forum just keeps on giving)
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Well Mr @circuitghost helped beta testing the device so I gather he has greater knowledge then most of us regarding it.
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Target Audience in my view is to have a tiny portable sample-based ‘rompler’ to plug into a separate sequencer.
At its strongest, you robot sample a wide number of notes from any synth or vst, save to the Tangerine and then you have that in the palm of your hand for mobile use, as a very close approximation and some velocity layers you want.
Outside of that, you could also
- create chains and have one track with 128 drum sounds etc.
- use as an 8 track ‘stem player’/‘one track at a time recorder’
So VERY loose analogy, it’s a little Kontakt player in a box.
Who is it for?
Not for: an SP404 pad tapping mangler person, not for real onboard sequencing, not for extensive sound sculpting.
For: an add on box with very hifi output to connect to elektons (or other audio mix-in sequencers) for custom sound sets
I have a blackbox, which can do some of the multisampling but in a more limited way - but am considering Tangerine as a portable box to keep the likes of say Spitfire Audio/Kontakt instruments in to access without need for a computer (for example)
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That actually helps a lot! Thanks!
I’d say anyone who wants to be able to sample, edit and perform with up to eight stereo loops or samples, live or in a composition environment. Sequencer is very primitive, good for simple drum loops or toggling loop playback on and off.
You won’t find many samplers in this range that sounds this good and have this level of versatility if you’re into streaming, which is a key thing of the Tangerine. It doesn’t really compare to the 404, since the resampling and fx thing is a big part of the 404 and is close to non-existent on the Tangerine. Onboard reverb and delay are serviceable to get a decent mix, but there’s none of that vinyl springreverb chorus flanger djstutter cassette shenanigans going on.
Though you can get very far with the LFO’s, where you get one per sample which can be assigned to multiple parameters. Throw in a little grain sample, slap on some sine wave on the pitch and you got yourself a cassette fx, for example.
I’d say the Tangerine is for anyone who appreciate what the blackbox does, but really wants it battery-powered (when the battery pack arrives) and don’t need a complex sequencer or song mode. I’ve already finished some tracks on it and am bouncing back and forth between if this’ll do for me and the blackbox might collect some dust now, or if I’ll stick to the blackbox.
Either way, I’m in camp 1010 so I’m like super biased and stuff
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Very instructive feedback.
Thanks a lot!
Almost sounds like I’m in for both a Tangerine and a SP404.
They would both offer sampling capabilities and help with the two instruments I can’t take everywhere : drums and synths!
Anyhoo. Thanks guys. Just the info I needed!
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Something’s that’s easily forgotten: the Blackbox itself is also pretty portable thanks to its form factor. Compared to the Tangerine, I suspect Blackbox to be more power hungry. And yet I am not quite sure about this because Tangerine’s USB-C is certainly able to provide more power than Blackbox’s troublesome USB-B.
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Waiting on the mythical battery pack from 1010.
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Would you care elaborating on the streaming aspect?
I don’t want to confuse this with another concept and, since it seem to touch Tangerine’s raison d’être, I want to make sure I didn’t miss a subtlety.
( on a side note, your depiction of the SP’s hipstero-effectish-mojo stuff that seems to halo around it just made me laugh so hard…you probably pinpointed there one of the reasons why I just don’t click with this lovely piece of gear )
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Streaming as in it can pay samples directly off of the SD card, so you can have hundreds of gigs of samples, not a few megs.
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Thanks for checking that box for me.
So yeah.
It looks more and more like a perfect fit.
Europe shops are not offering pre-orders right now. So I guess I’m in for an old fashioned wait-and-don’t-miss game until it’s official release.
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The downside with streaming, compared to all-in-memory, is a lesser simultaneous polyphony and other processing bottlenecks (eg simultaneous effect). With a fast sd card, the experience is smooth though.
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Yep, what @Dymaxion said 
Octatrack style, or Deluge and stuff.
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